Mace can compete with and borders on the level of someone who casually demolished this team on Mandalore. He should take it, albeit not as easily.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Still he has a point. Maul has back up here, and it's not like Windu was blitzing Maul on his own. And Windu had back up as well.
Obi-Wan's heart clenched. This was not the Mace Windu he knew and admired; it was as though the darkness in the Force was so much thicker here on Coruscant that it had breathed poison into Mace's spirit—and perhaps was even breeding suspicion and dissension among the members of the Jedi Council.
Originally posted by SunRazer
This is TCW Mace, not RotS Mace.
In that case, The duo has a better chance. At this point, we have many things suggesting Mace wasn't on par with Dooku at this point. Mace's performance vs similar opponents were inferior. And we see Talzin stalemating Mace when Sidious considered Talzin to be crap to Dooku.
This all seems to back up Yoda's opinion on the matter, that Mace hadn't surpassed Dooku even as of Dark Rendevous which is a couple of months off from ROTS IIRC.
Not really relevant here anymore but my quote regarding inner darkness got cropped, so I'll repost the full thing:
Obi-Wan's heart clenched. This was not the Mace Windu he knew and admired; it was as though the darkness in the Force was so much thicker here on Coruscant that it had breathed poison into Mace's spirit—and perhaps was even breeding suspicion and dissension among the members of the Jedi Council.
The greatest danger from the darkness outside came when Jedi fed it with the darkness within.
He had feared he might find matters had deteriorated when he returned to Coruscant and the Temple; not even in his darkest dreams had he thought it would get this bad.
Originally posted by Darth Thorand yet when Maul had back up, he lost to Kenobi (who I think we both can agree is inferior to Mace).
^ Still he has a point. Maul has back up here, and it's not like Windu was blitzing Maul on his own. And Windu had back up as well.Also given this duo is solidly above Dooku, I really don't see Windu taking 10/10.
Originally posted by deathslash
and yet when Maul had back up, he lost to Kenobi (who I think we both can agree is inferior to Mace).
He didn't exactly lose, in that he never once went down himself, and that was a gimped recovering Maul with his chicken legs.
Plus Kenobi in that fight performed better than even Dooku did against the inferior Dathomirian duo of Ventress and Savage.
So clearly a peak performance for Kenobi.
Originally posted by Darth Thormaul was using a single bladed lightsaber though. And since single bladed lightsabers are much easier to use than double bladed ones, and since Maul and Savage had been through numerous fights over time (allowing Maul to regain a fair amount of his skill) before even fighting Kenobi, it all evens out.
He didn't exactly lose, in that he never once went down himself, and that was a gimped recovering Maul with his chicken legs.Plus Kenobi in that fight performed better than even Dooku did against the inferior Dathomirian duo of Ventress and Savage.
So clearly a peak performance for Kenobi.
That is a blatant lie. Dooku spent half of the fight literally kicking Ventress (after parrying her strikes), dodging Savage's attacks, and zapping Savage with lightning. Kenobi had to run away and take the fight to a far more advantageous location (in a small hallway).
Originally posted by deathslash
maul was using a single bladed lightsaber though. And since single bladed lightsabers are much easier to use than double bladed ones, and since Maul and Savage had been through numerous fights over time (allowing Maul to regain a fair amount of his skill) before even fighting Kenobi, it all evens out.
He had some time but not enough time to regain all his skill.
His Chicken legs also gimped Maul of his peak martial arts and acrobatics. Even more so in that cave.
Originally posted by deathslashThat is a blatant lie. Dooku spent half of the fight literally kicking Ventress (after parrying her strikes), dodging Savage's attacks, and zapping Savage with lightning. Kenobi had to run away and take the fight to a far more advantageous location (in a small hallway).
Right firstly it's not a lie. The official website states Dooku was "barely" winning. Plus I didn't see Dooku cut either of his opponents up.
So you admit Kenobi wasn't superior to the duo on even ground. Great, so why pretend the Florrum cave fight proves anything about Windu vs the Brothers in peak form and in a neutral environment?