Why is ANH Kenobi considered stronger than his RoTS self?

Started by Total Warrior4 pages

Why is ANH Kenobi considered stronger than his RoTS self?

Title says all. I didn't watch Rebels S3 (guess people think he is stronger due to something he did on that show), so why is he considered stronger now all of a sudden?

Killed Rebel Maul in like 3 seconds flat basically.

Oh ok,but wasn't that fight implied to be more symbolic rather than a display of their "power levels"? I think I read it here somewhere

People don't care. This is a wank forum not a place for reasonable discussion.

because he's explicitly stated to have grown as a duelist and him being very good was part of the intent behind the shorter fights than he was having with Maul in TCW.

It's also noted that he has deepened his connection to the force.

As there is alack of evidence that suggests otherwise, we go with that.

He's not better; he's different.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's not better; he's different.

He's grown as a swordsman and is more powerful, so why isn't he better?

Older and well outside his prime. Ridiculous to claim he's a more capable fighter than Rots Kenobi.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
He's grown as a swordsman and is more powerful, so why isn't he better?

Obi-Wan grew in some aspects, but the notion he grew more powerful across the board is unfounded.

Especially in Canon, where everyone is more specialized in certain areas of the Force than others.

In regards to swordsmanship, he's clearly not as fast or skilled as he was in ROTS, but he is more efficient.

lol hes not, watch young Obi and old Obi move and try to tell me that Ben is a better fighter or a stronger force user. He gets by with subterfuge and guile in ANH because he knows that he can't go head to head with enemies anymore

Originally posted by DarthAnt66 Obi-Wan grew in some aspects, but the notion he grew more powerful across the board is unfounded.

As it is never specified he grew in one way and declined in another, this assumption of yours that Kenobi's improvement is matched by some sort of degradement. Additionally, Kenobi being "very good" is noted as a reason for why his fight with Maul in Rebels is shorter than his fight with Maul in TCW. We have evidence that he's improved and none that he's declined, so we can assume he's a better swordsman.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Especially in Canon, where everyone is more specialized in certain areas of the Force than others.

I do not care. Kenobi having a deeper connection to the source of all his power would logically make his powers greater. Additionally, he's a peer of Vader, a force user who's feats several years pre-rebels stomp al over anything ROTS Kenobi has done as of this point
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In regards to swordsmanship, he's clearly not as fast or skilled as he was in ROTS, but he is more efficient.

Are you actually trying to form a judgement based on choreography and a fight's visual appeal? Nah, as he's stated tohave grown as a swordsman and him being very good was part of the expressed intent of the dhorter fight he had in Rebels in comparison to the "prolonged lightsaber fights" he had in TCW, all evidence in new canon points to Kenobi being better. As there's nothing indicating the opposite, we go with Kenobi having improved.

Originally posted by relentless1
lol hes not, watch young Obi and old Obi move and try to tell me that Ben is a better fighter or a stronger force user. He gets by with subterfuge and guile in ANH because he knows that he can't go head to head with enemies anymore

They also didn't have the same choreography/special effects back then, and Lucas originally did not intend for Vader and Ben to be as great as the new canon does

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Oh ok,but wasn't that fight implied to be more symbolic rather than a display of their "power levels"? I think I read it here somewhere

The fact that it's symbolic or artistic doesn't change the fact that it happened. A high-class swordsman was cut apart faster than you can say it, that's pretty relevant.

Well it lasted longer if we count the "virtual" fight that preceded the actual Saber clash.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well it lasted longer if we count the "virtual" fight that preceded the actual Saber clash.

The virtual fight symbolizing their growth as swordsmen

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The virtual fight symbolizing their growth as swordsmen

Their growth in fighting each other, yes.

Not necessarily their growth as overall swordsmen given how they don't fight other combatants like that.

However Obi-Wan ending the fight so quickly was certainly a display of his power.

^ Or old Maul is just shit.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Their growth in fighting each other, yes.

Not necessarily their growth as overall swordsmen given how they don't fight other combatants like that.


Yea, the quote never specifies or alludes to the context you're asserting that is present here. They didn't fight other comabatnats like that because Feloni, didn't want to have that kind of fight before.
So I'm gonna say, nah, aight? [/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Darth Thor
However Obi-Wan ending the fight so quickly was certainly a display of his power.

Nope, no, him three-shotting Maul had nothing to with being vastly above him. Unless you want to tell me you think Ben could stomp the likes of Vader.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yea, the quote never specifies or alludes to the context you're asserting that is present here. They didn't fight other comabatnats like that because Feloni, didn't want to have that kind of fight before.
So I'm gonna say, nah, aight?

Urm yes it does. Filoni clearly gave the reason why he didn't want the same kind of fight again: "I never saw this as being my ANOTHER Prolonged Lightsaber duel because that would suggest no growth" (paraphrasing a little).

Improved "skill" as swordsmen was never suggested or alluded to.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

Nope, no, him three-shotting Maul had nothing to with being vastly above him. Unless you want to tell me you think Ben could stomp the likes of Vader.
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The three-shorting Maul was to make it clear Ben is now the superior of the 2 leaving No Doubt about it. Filoni makes that clear when he states "I felt that every time Maul parries Obi-Wan it suggests they're equals and I don't think they are.." (again slightly paraphrasing, but the important words which support the meaning I'm alluding to are there in the actual quotes).