Listen, if you're eager and ready to take credit over an action if it has positive outcome, be adult enough to take credit if a negative happens to happen instead, is what I'm saying.
Or as we learned in the early 80's:
You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life.
Originally posted by Robtard
Listen, if you're eager and ready to take credit over an action if it has positive outcome, be adult enough to take credit if a negative happens to happen instead, is what I'm saying.Or as we learned in the early 80's:
You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life.
Im not taking credit for anything. Just explain to me how getting China to do something in regards to North Korea will be viewed as negative.
Originally posted by Sable
Im not taking credit for anything. Just explain to me how getting China to do something in regards to North Korea will be viewed as negative.
It was the royal "you", not you personally.
I already did: I'm 100% cool in giving Trump positive credit if this works out in the end; personally I hope it does as I don't want an armed conflict with NK to happen. But in return, if it doesn't turn out for the better, Trump doesn't magically get a free pass cos it's Trump and is above reproach in the eyes of his followers.
I know he loves blaming others for his failings like he did when the Navy SEAL was killed in that botched mission, but the buck stops at the Presidency. Taking responsibility comes with the job of POTUS. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan etc all knew and respected this fact.
If Obama made the Chinese do something I have serious doubts you would be having these same feelings about it. He would be seen as God King Obama etc etc etc endless praises. You would not be saying "lets wait and see if anything negative happens." And if it did, it certainly would not be his fault.
Btw that Seal Raid, was planned by the BO admin.
Obama like previous presidents before him was an adult and took responsibility:
YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxNn7sSHc8
ps Who gave the go ahead for the raid? It was Trump, but you go on blaming Obama for it. Trump blamed everyone except himself, like a child.
Originally posted by Sable
If Obama made the Chinese do something I have serious doubts you would be having these same feelings about it. He would be seen as God King Obama etc etc etc endless praises. You would not be saying "lets wait and see if anything negative happens." And if it did, it certainly would not be his fault.Btw that Seal Raid, was planned by the BO admin.
I'm totally butting in. Sable, Rob said if it works out he will eat crow. I think more people on GDF care more about being proven right about a topic than the actual topic itself. Goes for Rob too. Feel free to bash me, I know it's coming.
Originally posted by Sable
I bet you didn't know the raid was planned on eve of the inauguration, but they couldn't do it cause of moonlight.Now we off topic, and dissenting into sand throwing, back on topic. How will working with China to stop the Norks be viewed negativly?
Why do you keep bothering? It's Trump. Anything with him they will hate. If he found a cure for all cancer they'd say he created a burden on the country because people will now live longer. There is no right way here. Anything he does they will whine about.
They will say "if he does something good I'll support it" but they won't. We have seen this from liberals time and time again. I'm almost thinking that if Trump truly wants a wall he needs to begin telling people walls are horrible and a bad idea. We'll have one built real quickly then.
Originally posted by Sable
I'm just flabbergasted that working with other countries for a greater good is can be viewed as negative regardless of the outcome. I guess we shouldn't try anymore?
To not try is to die. There are circumstances as well as variability to a random encounter and decades long relationship. That's my outlook. Some prefer to attack on the onset. Imo, attacking initially defeats the purpose to learn anything.
Originally posted by Sable
I'm just flabbergasted that working with other countries for a greater good is can be viewed as negative regardless of the outcome. I guess we shouldn't try anymore?
You forgot you have to run every single event through a Trump filter now. Things that might have been okay or even good in other circumstances now are just bad for the country if Trump is involved.
Some don't want to give him any victories, and that isn't just Dems. Wasn't it Rand Paul spewing that a skinny Obamacare repeal would be better than nothing? Hey, anyone know his stance now?
Originally posted by Surtur
Why do you keep bothering? It's Trump. Anything with him they will hate. If he found a cure for all cancer they'd say he created a burden on the country because people will now live longer. There is no right way here. Anything he does they will whine about.They will say "if he does something good I'll support it" but they won't. We have seen this from liberals time and time again. I'm almost thinking that if Trump truly wants a wall he needs to begin telling people walls are horrible and a bad idea. We'll have one built real quickly then.
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Pearl Clutching and Righteous Indignation at it's finest