Confederate/Nazi flag vs Anthem Kneeling

I do find it interesting that for the most part, people that wonder what the big deal is because it's just a flag/anthem are the same ones that agree with removing statues/flag and vice versa.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I do find it interesting that for the most part, people that wonder what the big deal is because it's just a flag/anthem are the same ones that agree with removing statues/flag and vice versa.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well then, statues aren't history either. lol. Do you see how that works?

Oh and just to nip any excuses in the butt: no, a statue of a person is not an actual person. Since Jaden said "actions, events, and people are history" I didn't wanna leave anyone room to weasel out.

Exactly. Which is why I don't get upset about statues being up or not.

I'm sure that's not true.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I'm sure that's not true.

Can't say I'd be happy with statues of Jimmy Savile or Peter Sutcliffe going up but I don't think that'll happen any time soon.

Then again I come from a city where they put up statues of a dragon, penguins, Lemmings and fat, bearded kids comic characters so I'm not sure how valid my opinion is.

Yea I was gonna say even if you don't care about statues of good people you would probably care if the right villain had a statue.

Originally posted by Kurk
not an argument robbo

If someone can't figure out why there's a difference between saying "black power" and "white power" in regards to the history of the US, then a laugh is all they get, Kurky.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I disagree... they are (historically) considered the bad guy by many. People even want to get rid of Columbus day.

But the bottom line is that white power/pride is associated with a nasty history hence white people are too guilty to indulge. This is the same exact logic as saying that history matters and so does symbolism. You don't just get to wipe the slate clean and declare something like that devoid of any historical connotations when it is so deeply ingrained in the modern psyche.

That's right. Nazi's, certainly, but also to a point W.A.S.P.'s.

The powers that displaced them learned from their mistakes, and maintain a very careful face in public while they screw the little people behind the scenes..

Originally posted by Silent Master
I do find it interesting that for the most part, people that wonder what the big deal is because it's just a flag/anthem are the same ones that agree with removing statues/flag and vice versa.

Odd no one is addressing this. Shit does stink when it's in your face.

People don't like having their hypocrisy pointed out.

Originally posted by Silent Master
People don't like having their hypocrisy pointed out.

"But wait this is different!"

I personally don't have a problem with people not standing for the anthem. When I was younger I flatly refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance and anthem in school because there's a truckload of stuff about the country I disliked. That being said, if there's a policy against political statements while in uniform(the way there is for cops) then the players shouldn't be allowed to do it, that's what they signed on for. If there's not such a policy then they should, and all the talk about punishing them is ridiculous because it's a free country.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Which one is more traitorous and disrespectful to our nation and troops? I'd say the Nazi/Confederate flags, since they are the flags of traitors and enemies whom American soldiers actually died fighting against. What about yourselves?

Troops serve so people are allowed to do these things. Ask any troop

Originally posted by darthgoober
I personally don't have a problem with people not standing for the anthem. When I was younger I flatly refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance and anthem in school because there's a truckload of stuff about the country I disliked. That being said, if there's a policy against political statements while in uniform(the way there is for cops) then the players shouldn't be allowed to do it, that's what they signed on for. If there's not such a policy then they should, and all the talk about punishing them is ridiculous because it's a free country.

See, even the Chinese Communist gets this 👆

Originally posted by Sable
Odd no one is addressing this. Shit does stink when it's in your face.

Yet here's me wondering what the big deal is because it's just an anthem/flag and not caring about statues one way or the other.

I doubt the tax payers who have to pay for these stadiums to keep these money hungry teams signed up to support protests they don't agree with.

Anyhow Rob, what about this?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I do find it interesting that for the most part, people that wonder what the big deal is because it's just a flag/anthem are the same ones that agree with removing statues/flag and vice versa.

Failed points don’t hsve to be addressed, self explanatory

Originally posted by jaden101
Yet here's me wondering what the big deal is because it's just an anthem/flag and not caring about statues one way or the other.

I basically feel the same, but if you look at the various threads on here. we are the minority.

Originally posted by Robtard
Failed points don’t hsve to be addressed, self explanatory

They are not failed points, they cut through the BS, and expose the hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Sable
I doubt the tax payers who have to pay for these stadiums to keep these money hungry teams signed up to support protests they don't agree with.

Anyhow Rob, what about this?