Who has hit harder?Cho Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think you understood my post. My logic didn't have anything to do with combat showings or anything else. It was primarily based off the majority. I specifically said if something happens for the majority, I would put this over the minority. This is why I brought up the Spiderman vs Wolverine example. If Superman gets his head caved in by Kalibak 10/10 in comics, I am not going to go into a thread and say Superman wind 10/10 because he put lettuce on his sandwich at nano second speeds. This goes against everything that has happened on panel. You say that I ignore your questions but you have a habit of ignoring mine. Does Surfer pull a 10/10 against Dakrseid via opening a black hole in his brain? He capable and smart enough to do this. We are debating capabilities, right?

👆 so once more, Batman reigns supreme. Thanks. That's all that was needed. As he has many examples of tagging speedsters,heralds, and surviving punches etc fromheralds.

As for your Surfer question, no. Why? Because of several things.

1. DS has superspeed. To the point even WW is shocked. I'm sure you know WWs speed feats. So before Surfer can do this black hole, DS has blitzed him.

2. Surfer is a pacifist. He's not black holing anyone's brain. Superman is also a pacifist, who doesn't enjoy drawn out fights. He'll end things quickly. I'm not saying he lobotomizes people with HV at lightspeed, lol, or sings people out of existence. Neither Superman nor Surfer kill... except Supermans speed isn't a kill factor.

3. Has Surfer ever created a black hole in anyone's brain? At least Superman has...what did you say, 2%? Of showings using his speed.

Edit: point 3, actually, is a bit of you moving goalposts.

From 2% of showings, to suddenly, 0% of showings lol.

One can say that Clark is more a glutton for punishment(cause he knows he can take it) than actually ending things quickly..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
One can say that Clark is more a glutton for punishment(cause he knows he can take it) than actually ending things quickly..

Agreed. But what happens when he gets tagged once or twice?

Either we argue that his opponent OHKOs him,or he then realises hey,this guy is the real deal,better ramp up.

THAT'S my argument.

That's all well and gud.

I just don't fully subscribe to this...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
who doesn't enjoy drawn out fights. He'll end things quickly.

He's more likely to talk down opponents while eating some punishment.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's all well and gud.

I just don't fully subscribe to this...

Because of him being a pacifist.

He's more likely to talk down opponents while eating some punishment.

Depending on who he's fighting. Someone like DS, for example, he won't.

Someone like Thanos? Prob won't. Thor? Prob yes. We assume forum fights start with both sides ready to fight, though they won't kill.

Yes. It can be somewhat dependent on who he's fighting. Somewhat...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. It can be somewhat dependent on who he's fighting. Somewhat...

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 so once more, Batman reigns supreme. Thanks. That's all that was needed. As he has many examples of tagging speedsters,heralds, and surviving punches etc fromheralds.

As for your Surfer question, no. Why? Because of several things.

1. DS has superspeed. To the point even WW is shocked. I'm sure you know WWs speed feats. So before Surfer can do this black hole, DS has blitzed him.

2. Surfer is a pacifist. He's not black holing anyone's brain. Superman is also a pacifist, who doesn't enjoy drawn out fights. He'll end things quickly. I'm not saying he lobotomizes people with HV at lightspeed, lol, or sings people out of existence. Neither Superman nor Surfer kill... except Supermans speed isn't a kill factor.

3. Has Surfer ever created a black hole in anyone's brain? At least Superman has...what did you say, 2%? Of showings using his speed.

Edit: point 3, actually, is a bit of you moving goalposts.

From 2% of showings, to suddenly, 0% of showings lol.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer kills when pressed.

👆 so has Supes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 so has Supes.

When you get right down to it Surfer will kill just because he's tired of dealing with someone...

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He's even pulled a Zoom and used time travele to go back and prevent an opponent from ever being born.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes limits it to unthinking monsters and such outside of the time right after the COIE reboot when Bryne set out to totally redevelop the character and had him expose Zod and company to K-nite.

When you get right down to it Surfer will kill just because he's tired of dealing with someone...
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He's even pulled a Zoom and used time travele to go back and prevent an opponent from ever being born.

And Superman sang DS out of existence.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Superman sang DS out of existence.....

I'm not arguing that there aren't extreme circumstances where Supes might kill, nor am I saying that Surfer is ruthlessly cold blooded, I'm just saying that Surfer's more likely to go for a kill than Supes is as made evident by him killing more despite far, far fewer appearances.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's killing evil incarnate for the sake of the multiverse... anyone would do that. Surfer was going to kill an innocent little girl for the sake of the multiverse lol.

I'm not arguing that there aren't extreme circumstances where Supes might kill, nor am I saying that Surfer is ruthlessly cold blooded, I'm just saying that Surfer's more likely to go for a kill than Supes is as made evident by him killing more despite far, far fewer appearances.

So not just mindless monsters, got it.

👆

Then in that case, with carver's actual, original question, DS kills Surfer first. Lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So not just mindless monsters, got it.

👆

Then in that case, with carver's actual, original question, DS kills Surfer first. Lol.

IDK... even Supes was willing to kill DS and as we've established Surfer's more likely to kill than Supes lol

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK... even Supes was willing to kill DS and as we've established Surfer's more likely to kill than Supes lol

And like you said, DS is the incarnate of evil - whereas even in your scans, Surfer still pleads with people to stop BEFORE he kills them.

DS would just go for the kill.

But by the by. Am interested in your take on the Cho asteroid/moon question.

How come you never PM scans to me for use in threads any more? You used to message me out of the blue with scans, offering to help in this thread and that....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 so once more, Batman reigns supreme. Thanks. That's all that was needed. As he has many examples of tagging speedsters,heralds, and surviving punches etc fromheralds.

As for your Surfer question, no. Why? Because of several things.

1. DS has superspeed. To the point even WW is shocked. I'm sure you know WWs speed feats. So before Surfer can do this black hole, DS has blitzed him.

2. Surfer is a pacifist. He's not black holing anyone's brain. Superman is also a pacifist, who doesn't enjoy drawn out fights. He'll end things quickly. I'm not saying he lobotomizes people with HV at lightspeed, lol, or sings people out of existence. Neither Superman nor Surfer kill... except Supermans speed isn't a kill factor.

3. Has Surfer ever created a black hole in anyone's brain? At least Superman has...what did you say, 2%? Of showings using his speed.

Edit: point 3, actually, is a bit of you moving goalposts.

From 2% of showings, to suddenly, 0% of showings lol.

I'm not debating this Batman nonsense. You hide behind him when you're in a serious debate.

Superman is a pacifist and he isn't combo to koing someone with a thousand punches as soon as the bell ring.

Are you talking about his recent showing (Darkseid)?

Has Superman ever performed to the levels you are saying he is performing at? We are talking about capabilities here. The same thing you're doing.

Never said 0%.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not debating this Batman nonsense. You hide behind him when you're in a serious debate.

Superman is a pacifist and he isn't combo to koing someone with a thousand punches as soon as the bell ring.

Are you talking about his recent showing (Darkseid)?

Has Superman ever performed to the levels you are saying he is performing at? We are talking about capabilities here. The same thing you're doing.

Never said 0%.

Not hiding. It's 100% canon, in comics. You're just annoyed I am showing up your double standards. It has happened.

Bats has taken suckerpunches, whilst half nakedm, from a pissed off GoW WW - y/n?
Has tagged Zoom - y/n?
Outreacted a bloodlusted Superman's HV - y/n?
Stolen Hal's ring despite autoshields - y/n?
Destroyed in combat beings that Flash couldn't - y/n?

And that is just new 52 Batman, lol. Am limiting myself to showings from the past 10 years.

Has Surfer EVER opened black holes in people's heads? Not threatened - actually done it? Goober has shown he can be a mean SOB when he wants to be. I know he has opened black holes before, right? So it should be no issue for you.

Ever done it in someone's head?

Because your argument is that in 98% of Superman's showings, he gets tagged by slower people, and that I, darksaint85, am clinging to the 2%.

So for your Surfer analogy to work, surely Surfer has done the black hole attack more than 2%, right? Otherwise, you're just moving goalposts.

But why, WHY, is the Batman argument 'nonsense'? He has plenty of combat feats where he does incredibly well Why does it only work for Marvel characters? Surely we should be fair, right?

Batman has, on panel, in a canon comic, done all that I have listed. In combat. Space cheese is doodoo. Combat feats are all that matters, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And like you said, DS is the incarnate of evil - whereas even in your scans, Surfer still pleads with people to stop BEFORE he kills them.

DS would just go for the kill.

But by the by. Am interested in your take on the Cho asteroid/moon question.

How come you never PM scans to me for use in threads any more? You used to message me out of the blue with scans, offering to help in this thread and that....

As for the thread question, it's hard to say because of the questionable nature of Cho's feat. I mean it was obviously either poor research/writer error, or something that has to be taken with the ultimate level of suspension of disbelieve. It's right there in the same category as Flash's evacuating the city at sub light speeds IMO. Personally, I just put things that are that far beyond the scope of basic mathematical logic into the "so impossible it's a totally unquantifiable feat" category which makes them SUPER impressive, but nothing that should be used as a definitive measurement of a character's abilities.

Well I post myself sometimes now so if something stands out as something that I just HAVE to get out I do it myself. It's nothing personal against you or anything.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not hiding. It's 100% canon, in comics. You're just annoyed I am showing up your double standards. It has happened.

Bats has taken suckerpunches, whilst half nakedm, from a pissed off GoW WW - y/n?
Has tagged Zoom - y/n?
Outreacted a bloodlusted Superman's HV - y/n?
Stolen Hal's ring despite autoshields - y/n?
Destroyed in combat beings that Flash couldn't - y/n?

And that is just new 52 Batman, lol. Am limiting myself to showings from the past 10 years.

Has Surfer EVER opened black holes in people's heads? Not threatened - actually done it? Goober has shown he can be a mean SOB when he wants to be. I know he has opened black holes before, right? So it should be no issue for you.

Ever done it in someone's head?

Because your argument is that in 98% of Superman's showings, he gets tagged by slower people, and that I, darksaint85, am clinging to the 2%.

So for your Surfer analogy to work, surely Surfer has done the black hole attack more than 2%, right? Otherwise, you're just moving goalposts.

[b]But why, WHY, is the Batman argument 'nonsense'? He has plenty of combat feats where he does incredibly well Why does it only work for Marvel characters? Surely we should be fair, right?

Batman has, on panel, in a canon comic, done all that I have listed. In combat. Space cheese is doodoo. Combat feats are all that matters, right? [/B]

Batman is abstract level. There. Now let's get back on topic. Do we accept the majority or minority of showings in comics? If Hulk fought and killed Thanos in every last one of their encounters, are you going to come on KMC and give Thanos the win based off abilities?

Originally posted by carver9
Batman is abstract level. There. Now let's get back on topic. Do we accept the majority or minority of showings in comics? If Hulk fought and killed Thanos in every last one of their encounters, are you going to come on KMC and give Thanos the win based off abilities?

Cool 👆 reason why I kept bringing it up, is because nobody would ever answer me seriously, and just dodged the question.

Rather than call it PIS, you would rather say Batman was abstract level. Fair enough - it tells me a lot about how this is all a waste of time, lol.

Because you would rather cling to ridiculous things, than accept logic.