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Originally posted by Silent Master
What has she done that compares very favorably?
1) Being able to affect multiple targets simultaneously with her power effortlessly; Mantis has only shown the ability to affect one target at a time...
2) Destructive ability: do I really need to elaborate on this one?
3) Defeated one of the strongest minds on planet Earth (Xavier) while in the fledging stages of tapping into the Phoenix Force (while simultaneously rendering Juggernaut and Magneto helpless as a side effect of using her power)...
4) Being powerful enough to do practically anything she could think of; the story directly gives us this info via Magneto...
Need I go on?
Jean does not get Mantis' feats. Until she actually shuts down a planet-sized, cosmic level being, saying she can is nothing but speculation. What's more, Jean is a telepath. Mantis is an empath, and makes a point of distinguishing between the two during the film. So, just because an empath can achieve an effect, it does not mean a telepath can necessarily do the same, as it is extremely likely that their powers do not function in the same way, especially as one is a mutant and one is an alien. Also, Mantis had been at Ego's side for a significant span of time, and had interacted with his mind on several occasions before that moment. So, while it was the first time she shut him down in that specific manner, the actual act of putting him to sleep was not new to her.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, because none of those sound anywhere near as impressive as controlling a Celestial.
Ego is not a Celestial; Ego thinks of himself as a Celestial (thus the name 'Ego'😉...
In some ways Ego was very impressive, in some ways not...
Mantis didn't come off as being superpowerful in Guardians of the Galaxy 2...
Mantis being able to shut Ego down appeared to be more about Ego being weak against Mental Attacks than Mantis being some ultra powerful telepath that could shut down a 'Celestial.'
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Jean does not get Mantis' feats. Until she actually shuts down a planet-sized, cosmic level being, saying she can is nothing but speculation. What's more, Jean is a telepath. Mantis is an empath, and makes a point of distinguishing between the two during the film. So, just because an empath can achieve an effect, it does not mean a telepath can necessarily do the same, as it is extremely likely that their powers do not function in the same way, especially as one is a mutant and one is an alien. Also, Mantis had been at Ego's side for a significant span of time, and had interacted with his mind on several occasions before that moment.
As per X3, Jean can do practically anything she could think of...
She even demonstrated the ability to cause fusion on a whim...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ego is not a Celestial; Ego thinks of himself as a Celestial (thus the name 'Ego'😉...In some ways Ego was very impressive, in some ways not...
Mantis didn't come off as being superpowerful in Guardians of the Galaxy 2...
Mantis being able to shut Ego down appeared to be more about Ego being weak against Mental Attacks than Mantis being some ultra powerful telepath that could shut down a 'Celestial.'
Sure she did, she controlled a planet sized entity. that is far better than any of Jean's feats.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure she did, she controlled a planet sized entity. that is far better than any of Jean's feats.
That planet sized entity was weak mentally...
Unless you want to believe that Mantis has beyond Celestial level powers (I mean she shut down a 'Celestial,' that makes her SUPERIOR to a Celestial...doesn't it??? LoL)...
But you might actually be stupid enough to believe that...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As per X3, Jean can do practically anything she could think of...She even demonstrated the ability to cause fusion on a whim...
Now that is a clear no limits fallacy. Variety =/= anything.
A. She is not an empath.
B. She has never once affected a being on Ego's level.
C. She does not have Mantis' connection to Ego.
Any claim that she can shut him down in the same manner as Mantis did is pure speculation on your part. Also, Mantis weakened herself for significantly longer than she affected Ego (she seemed severely strained by the act, while he seemed more annoyed when he got back). So, even if we assume she can affect him, based on what we see onscreen, attempting to shut him down causes massive mental backlash. Also, what proof is there that Jean would even know to do that? They only tried that tactic out of desperation, and because they knew Mantis had done something similar to him before.
Also, what happened to the "featureless plane" you like to use? Once again, you make your intentions way too obvious by situating the fight right by Ego's only vulnerable spot.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That planet sized entity was weak mentally...Unless you want to believe that Mantis has beyond Celestial level powers (I mean she shut down a 'Celestial,' that makes her [b]SUPERIOR
to a Celestial...doesn't it??? LoL)...But you might actually be stupid enough to believe that... [/B]
Prove Ego was weak mentally.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Now that is a clear no limits fallacy. Variety =/= anything.A. She is not an empath.
B. She has never once affected a being on Ego's level.
C. She does not have Mantis' connection to Ego.Any claim that she can shut him down in the same manner as Mantis did is pure speculation on your part. Also, Mantis weakened herself for significantly longer than she affected Ego (she seemed severely strained by the act, while he seemed more annoyed when he got back). So, even if we assume she can affect him, based on what we see onscreen, attempting to shut him down causes massive mental backlash. Also, what proof is there that Jean would even know to do that? They only tried that tactic out of desperation, and because they knew Mantis had done something similar to him before.
Also, what happened to the "featureless plane" you like to use? Once again, you make your intentions way too obvious by situating the fight right by Ego's only vulnerable spot.
Its not a no limits fallacy if the movie directly states she can do anything she can think of AND she is literally able to do everything she thought up during the course of the movie (which is the evidence that what the movie stated was not hyperbole)...
A. Jean doesnt have to be an empath as she can do anything she can think up via the Phoenix Force...
B. You overrate Ego. Freaking Mantis shut him down...
C. Jean doesnt need it as she is far more powerful than Mantis...
I dont even think the tactic of shutting down Ego is needed by the team; Rockets bomb destroyed Ego's brain...
The question becomes wether or not you believe that the team has enough firepower to defeat Ego's Avatar and destroy Ego's brain...
As petains to the fight location, arent you one of the posters thats always accusing me of creating spite threads?
Well, I go and create a thread where both sides have the opportunity to win, and now you give me flak for NOT creating a spite thread...
LoL...