Originally posted by Inhuman
I thought it was common knowledge and blatantly obvious that since the MCU you cannot use adamantium, vibranium took all the properties of comic book adamantium and applied it to movie vibranium.Again any comic book Feats and statements that relate to the comic books have no business being applied to the movies.
It's funny watching him continue to try and argue that statements trump onscreen feats.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I thought it was common knowledge and blatantly obvious that since the MCU you cannot use adamantium, vibranium took all the properties of comic book adamantium.Again, any comic book Feats and statements that relate to the comic books have no business being applied to the movies.
Dude! When has Vibranium taken over Adamantium?
Lol. I think you just made that up.
For anyone who is logical and has knowledge over Marvel.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Given the latest circumstances i had to recreate my points.Adamantium vs Vibranium: Not debatable based on screen feats!!!
This is a case in where there isnt enough evidence to draw up a conclusion. There is simply no way to determine which is stronger based on screen feats.
So, the only way to determine which is stronger is to use the statements given on screen by the Characters which used the metals:
Adamantium: words by William Stryker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M8LoVgPxuQ
Described as virtually undestructible.
Vibranium: words by Howard Stark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m7IP2B6JnM
Described as stronger than common steel.
Following the description, Adamantium is automatically stronger than Vibranium. Whereas Vibranium is very strong Adamantium is virtually undestructible.
Uru metal has NO MOVIE EVIDENCE therefore cant be form part of the debate.
Further evidence.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. MCU has never said that Vibranium replaced Adamantium.
They don't have to say it. They gone out of their way to make it not exist in their movieverse. Why would they remind the audience about a metal that they want to make the audience forget about since they don't own the rights to it?
Marvel is using vibranium as their comic book adamantium in the movies.
How more obvious that they have to be for you to understand this?
Marvel has killed off the cast of The Fantastic Four movies in a Punisher comic book just to take a jab at Fox and the shitty job they're doing and to separate themselves from that movie verse.
Marvel has taken off the X-Men characters from their toys and video games, again, to separate themselves from the X-Men since they don't own the movie rights
The movies are totally different thing than the comic books. They have nothing to do with each other. Nothing outside the MCU exists until Marvel says so.
That's why we cannot compare these two metals by statements or anything that has to do with comic books. All there is to discuss are on-screen Feats that have appeared in the movies.
If you start a vs. thread that has the topic of who is smarter Iron Man or Reed Richards, you can't just say, "well it's obvious Reed Richards is smarter because that's how it's always been in the comic books and I can find quotes that state this about the comic books."
That doesn't fly here. You would have to present your evidence with movie feats.
Originally posted by Inhuman
They don't have to say it. They gone out of their way to make it not exist in their movieverse. Why would they remind the audience about a metal that they want to make the audience forget about since they don't own the rights to it?
Marvel is using vibranium as their comic book adamantium in the movies.
How more obvious that they have to be for you to understand this?
Marvel has killed off the cast of The Fantastic Four movies in a Punisher comic book just to take a jab at Fox and the shitty job they're doing and to separate themselves from that movie verse.
Marvel has taken off the X-Men characters from their toys and video games, again, to separate themselves from the X-Men since they don't own the movie rightsThe movies are totally different thing than the comic books. They have nothing to do with each other. Nothing outside the MCU exists until Marvel says so.
That's why we cannot compare these two metals by statements or anything that has to do with comic books. All there is to discuss are on-screen Feats that have appeared in the movies.If you start a vs. thread that has the topic of who is smarter Iron Man or Reed Richards, you can't just say, "well it's obvious Reed Richards is smarter because that's how it's always been in the comic books and I can find quotes that state this about the comic books."
That doesn't fly here. You would have to present your evidence with movie feats.
Hold it on a second there dude.
1. MCU doesnt own the rights to Adamantium. But it doesnt mean Vibranium has taken its place. You are inventing that.
2. MCU is having chats with Fox in order to get the rights back. If they manage to do so, then Adamantium is back to MCU. (They wouldnt replace Adamantium because it they might get it back).
3. MCU has given the feats of Vibranium through Howards Stark statement in Cap America the First Avangers, and his description doesnt match Adamantium's. Which means that Vibranium hasnt replaced Adamantium.
4. No screen statement can determine which metal is stronger because they have each withstood different things. Else, bring an example.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hold it on a second there dude.1. MCU doesnt own the rights to Adamantium. But it doesnt mean Vibranium has taken its place. You are inventing that.
2. MCU is having chats with Fox in order to get the rights back. If they manage to do so, then Adamantium is back to MCU.
3. MCU has given the feats of Vibranium through Howards Stark statement in Cap America the First Avangers, and his description doesnt match Adamantium's. Which means that Vibranium hasnt replaced Adamantium.
4. No screen statement can determine which metal is stronger because they have each withstood different things. Else, bring an example.
1. Since adamantium doesn't exist in the MCU they are using vibranium as the hardest metal known in the MCU.
They used vibranium as Ultron's final form. This was adamantium in the comics.
So yes, vibranium has taken over and is a stand-in for adamantium in the MCU. Whatever is introduced in the MCU that is adamantium in the comics will be turned into vibranium in the films.
2. Speculation and rumors don't fly here.
3. Statements are fine and dandy but again, screen feats trump all and that is how we debate here.
4. I agree, no screen statement is available to use here because why would these characters be making statements comparing these metals if they don't exist in the same universe?
All we can do is use screen feet to form an argument.
Originally posted by Inhuman
1. Since adamantium doesn't exist in the MCU they are using vibranium as the hardest metal known in the MCU.
They used vibranium as Ultron's final form. This was adamantium in the comics.
So yes, vibranium has taken over and is a stand-in for adamantium in the MCU. Whatever is introduced in the MCU that is adamantium in the comics will be turned into vibranium in the films.2. Speculation and rumors don't fly here.
3. Statements are fine and dandy but again, screen feats trump all and that is how we debate here.
4. I agree, no screen statement is available to use here because why would these characters be making statements comparing these metals if they don't exist in the same universe?
All we can do is use screen feet to form an argument.
I wasn't really planning to keep on debating this, but since it seems you've taken it seriously and it's evident that you have some facts wrong, then I will just clarify things up for you.
1. The fact that Adamantium hasn't appear on screen doesn't mean it's there. MCU doesn't own the rights to Adamantium, but it doesn't mean Adamantium doesn't exist in the MCU Universe.
MCU can't use the term Adamantium, but it doesnt mean MCU has deleted Adamantium from their universe. It's more of Adamantium being dormant, ready for it to be activated whenever Adamantium goes back to marvel.
For instance, Spider Man. Just because MCU didn't own the rights to Spider Man it didn't ment that it didn't exist in the universe. It was just dormant. When MCU got the rights back then Spider Man appeared on screen.
2. Screen feats can only trump statements when these contradict the statement itself. No screen feat has contradicted Stryker's words or Stark's. That's what SilentMaster and TheVaultDweller didn't understood in the first place, and why i refused to keep debating.
Having said that, Adamantium is still over Vibranium.
MCU would never dear to say that Vibranium replaced/overcame Adamantium simply because they will eventually get the rights back.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Screen feats always trump statements and all these metals have multiple feats that can be used to compare them.
No.
Statements that aren't contradicted by feats are viable.
Period.
I've already proven to you that no statement can claim either metal over the other.
You've failed. d
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I wasn't really planning to keep on debating this, but since it seems you've taken it seriously and it's evident that you have some facts wrong, then I will just clarify things up for you.1. The fact that Adamantium hasn't appear on screen doesn't mean it's there. MCU doesn't own the rights to Adamantium, but it doesn't mean Adamantium doesn't exist in the MCU Universe.
MCU can't use the term Adamantium, but it doesnt mean MCU has deleted Adamantium from their universe. It's more of Adamantium being dormant, ready for it to be activated whenever Adamantium goes back to marvel.
For instance, Spider Man. Just because MCU didn't own the rights to Spider Man it didn't ment that it didn't exist in the universe. It was just dormant. When MCU got the rights back then Spider Man appeared on screen.
2. Screen feats can only trump statements when these contradict the statement itself. No screen feat has contradicted Stryker's words or Stark's. That's what SilentMaster and TheVaultDweller didn't understood in the first place, and why i refused to keep debating.
Having said that, Adamantium is still over Vibranium.
MCU would never dear to say that Vibranium replaced/overcame Adamantium simply because they will eventually get the rights back.
1. Adamantium does not exist in the MCU because they do not own the rights to it so it does not exist. Period.
You say that adamantium exists and is dormant (lulz), then prove it.
Spiderman was not dormant. He did not exist in the MCU. When Marvel made the deal with Sony then he was put into the MCU , and instantly became real in the MCU. Mutants don't exist in the MCU. They are using inhumans as a stand-in for mutants since they do not own the rights. I do not care what will happen in the future if Marvel eventually gets the rights to mutants or adamantium or anything. As it stands now, whatever Marvel does not own does not exist in the MCU.
The rest of your statement is speculation which I'm not going to even bother with.