Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Regulations requiring automobiles to have safety belts did not magically force people to abide by laws requiring them to wear safety belts either, but that does not change that compliance with safety belt laws went up, and that vehicular deaths went down as a result. Also, tell us more about how common automobiles without safety belts are now that all manufacturers are required to include them, and how easy they are to purchase and register. I am sure it is right up there with clamshell mobile phones and muskets.
That's a false equivalency by a huge margin and I think you know it.
Car Safety engineering specs vs. criminals using illegal firearms.
Clearly, that's not even close to a legit comparison. Unless you want to claim that...the...illegal car manufacturers....who murdered before the regulations...started...making cars to the regulation specs and stopped murdering...or something?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I did not mention RFID chips. Maybe you should learn to read. None of the safety features I listed have anything to do with a nanny state, unless you believe that anything less than total deregulation is a nanny state. Get it together.
You mentioned GPS same shit. You still didn't back your claim that people want buy these guns without them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude...we have so much data on this, by now, that it is a shame to the US for having a "Justice System." The data is so deep that it is quite obvious that lack of education, poverty, poor mental healthcare, and general environment are the extreme majority causes of crime.Harsher sentences is actually the worst possible way to treat, prevent, and correct crime. This is not a liberal idea. This is very basic criminology. The US Justice system sucks MASSIVE turds. It's atrocious. Our recidivism rates are worse than many 3rd world countries. Our incarceration rates are the highest in the world.
Sure, people should take responsibility for their actions. But "harsher sentences" is not a good idea, at all.
Harsher sentences is all we have, though.
Education? We throw tons of money at education. Some people don't want to learn. Some people CAN'T learn. Some people can't TEACH (The way professor's are selected is absolutely ridiculous, which basically amounts to being published in peer reviewed journals. As if researching prepares anyone to teach, at all.)
Poverty will continue for a lot of reasons. Those people who can't/won't learn staying impoverished, jobs drying up and nobody recreating them, the rise of "temp" jobs, and probably more reasons then I know that amounts to "Nobody competent who can fix this gives a damn, too busy making fortunes by hook or crook."
As for mental health care... Our health care system is a joke. Ever see The Soprano's? You know his shrink?
Not so far from the truth. You talk to some ******* who pretends to give a shit and jots down notes, and get prescribed a lot of pills. I should know, I've been through that system.
Listen, we don't even take care of our vulnerable people like the elderly and orphans. There's no way things will change enough to fix ANY of the stuff you mentioned, because nobody cares!
Just like they told my father about how my grandfather can live if they take all his checks: THE STATE DOES NOT CARE.
Originally posted by cdtm
Harsher sentences is all we have, though.Education? We throw tons of money at education. Some people don't want to learn. Some people CAN'T learn. Some people can't TEACH (The way professor's are selected is absolutely ridiculous, which basically amounts to being published in peer reviewed journals. As if researching prepares anyone to teach, at all.)
Poverty will continue for a lot of reasons. Those people who can't/won't learn staying impoverished, jobs drying up and nobody recreating them, the rise of "temp" jobs, and probably more reasons then I know that amounts to "Nobody competent who can fix this gives a damn, too busy making fortunes by hook or crook."
As for mental health care... Our health care system is a joke. Ever see The Soprano's? You know his shrink?
Not so far from the truth. You talk to some ******* who pretends to give a shit and jots down notes, and get prescribed a lot of pills. I should know, I've been through that system.
Listen, we don't even take care of our vulnerable people like the elderly and orphans. There's no way things will change enough to fix ANY of the stuff you mentioned, because nobody cares!
Just like they told my father about how my grandfather can live if they take all his checks: THE STATE DOES NOT CARE.
Originally posted by cdtm
Harsher sentences is all we have, though.Education? We throw tons of money at education. Some people don't want to learn. Some people CAN'T learn. Some people can't TEACH (The way professor's are selected is absolutely ridiculous, which basically amounts to being published in peer reviewed journals. As if researching prepares anyone to teach, at all.)
Poverty will continue for a lot of reasons. Those people who can't/won't learn staying impoverished, jobs drying up and nobody recreating them, the rise of "temp" jobs, and probably more reasons then I know that amounts to "Nobody competent who can fix this gives a damn, too busy making fortunes by hook or crook."
As for mental health care... Our health care system is a joke. Ever see The Soprano's? You know his shrink?
Not so far from the truth. You talk to some ******* who pretends to give a shit and jots down notes, and get prescribed a lot of pills. I should know, I've been through that system.
Listen, we don't even take care of our vulnerable people like the elderly and orphans. There's no way things will change enough to fix ANY of the stuff you mentioned, because nobody cares!
Just like they told my father about how my grandfather can live if they take all his checks: THE STATE DOES NOT CARE.
It seems pretty backwards right now but it wasn't always the case. It'll take a lot of time and hard work, revamping the system but it can be better.
Harsh sentences don't solve anything. Your prisons are full of people who can't pay ridiculous sums of bail money and are incarcerated for random small shit like having a gram of weed or something on them. Throwing them to the wolves is what turns them into criminals. Your prison system is privatized and there is a monetary incintive in keeping people jailed. Your education system is terrible, with people having to choose between crippling debt or getting a post-secondary education.
Things have to change because people want to learn. On average humans are easily content. If given another option between working at McDonalds and starving or selling crack, a huge majority would take education. I just want you to understand that the mentality that harsher sentences being the only option and people not wanting to learn is what got you guys into this mess in the first place.
Harsher sentences is doubling down on the madness that is already failing; recidivism will likely only increase for convicts
Sure, some criminals can not and will not be helped and those specific ones should be lifers. But as noted, we're a profit-for-time system many a time, keeping people; especially non violent types for lengthier sentences and in harsher places isn't the answer.
"According to a report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) about 68 percent of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of their release from prison, and 77 percent were arrested within five years."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
Wow higher then I expected.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
A number of companies are developing firearms with safety features inspired by smartphones, such as biometric locks, remote disabling, GPS, discharge logs, and AFID tags. There is no reason firearms should not have these features. In fact, 60% of Americans report that they would consider buying a gun if all guns were required to have these features.
Originally posted by Robtard
Harsher sentences is doubling down on the madness that is already failing; recidivism will likely only increase for convictsSure, some criminals can not and will not be helped and those specific ones should be lifers. But as noted, we're a profit-for-time system many a time, keeping people; especially non violent types for lengthier sentences and in harsher places isn't the answer.
As often as I get accused of being a conservative or right-winger based on my contempt for social justice bullshit and Antifa, but I am definitely more on the left when it comes to criminal punishment.
Criminal justice should be based more around rehabilitation for the good of the individual and society, non-violent offenders shouldn't be punished as severely as they are, the prison system should be much more humane (if you're going to incarcerate someone and take away their freedom, you should at least take responsibility for their safety, people being thrown into prisons where guards ignore or don't do a good enough job handling prison violence or prison rape is disgusting, and I would consider our modern prison system cruel and unusual punishment).
And lastly **** privately own prisons, profit should not be made off of
crime and human suffering because it creates a pretty ****ed up profit incentive, and in a society with lobbyists pressuring the government for things, it's a ****ing terrible unethical and ****ed up idea to create a lobby in favor of putting people in prison for profit.
Originally posted by Sable
You mentioned GPS same shit.
Actually, they are not at all the same. You saw AFID and read RFID, and now you are trying to backtrack.
Originally posted by Sable
You still didn't back your claim that people want buy these guns without them.
The study was conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and published last January.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Actually, they are not at all the same. You saw AFID and read RFID, and now you are trying to backtrack.The study was conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and published last January.
Not at all, RFID can be used to track the same as GPS.
I wanna see the receipts.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's a false equivalency by a huge margin and I think you know it.Car Safety engineering specs vs. criminals using illegal firearms.
Clearly, that's not even close to a legit comparison. Unless you want to claim that...the...illegal car manufacturers....who murdered before the regulations...started...making cars to the regulation specs and stopped murdering...or something?
No, it is a false equivalency to compare manufacturer compliance with safety feature regulations to citizen compliance with public safety laws, which is what you are trying to do.
Utilizing emergent technologies to implement common sense firearm safety features will significantly reduce gun violence, and give law enforcement useful tools in solving gun-related crimes.
You are effectively arguing that because these safety features are not a proverbial magic bullet, and will not solve all gun violence, that they should not be implemented at all.
As if reducing harm is a zero sum game, and if we cannot save every life, we should not try to save any lives.
The entire premise of your argument is that criminals will find a way to circumvent the safety features, so they should not be implemented.
Well, criminals will find a way to circumvent any law, so by that reasoning, we should not have laws.
Originally posted by Sable
Not at all, RFID can be used to track the same as GPS.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You saw AFID and read RFID, and now you are trying to backtrack.
Originally posted by Sable
I wanna see the receipts.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The study was conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and published last January.