DBS tier list?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Zeno hasn't shown anything but Erasing. That's a fact. Furthermore, in the Tournament of Universes Zeno is always amazed at the different abilities and powers being released, as assuming he himself didn't know/never saw such powers. Which would mean that he can't replicate them/ or hasn't tried.

That's not time manipulation. Zamas was manipulating time from Trunks universe. When Zeno erased him, he didn't affect time, he just erased the one affecting time. Furthermore, Zeno didn't even seem to realize he was sent to the past when Goku presented him with his past self. Zeno didn't even seem to realize that Zeno from the past was actually him. It's pretty clear he isn't familiarized with Time Traveling.

You are assuming that the Cosmic Cubes are < than Whis. You seem to forget that the Cosmic Cubes were created by the Beyonders who are at a level FAR ABOVE Zeno.

Whis can't travel on time. He can only travel minutes through time as stated by his person. The Beyonders are limited to their time line doesn't mean that Whis is on the level of the Beyonders.

Well, I see Galactus turning Bills into a kitten. I see the Michael and Lucifer creating a realm full of toys to imprison Zeno.

DB hasn't shown any other abilities but raw power. Which gives them a HUGE disadvantage against their DC/MARVEL counterparts.

Can Hit time stop Zeno?

I never said that Zeno was time manipulating anything during that scene. I brought that scene up because Zeno power transcends time and space.

Whis is>>>a partial piece of the Cosmic cube. The cube is Universal at best. Whis tap Universal beings across the head koing them.

Him reversing time is time traveling. He's traveling BACK in time. Lol.. and Whis is FAR above a Beyonder. Starbrand killed one with a planetary level attack.

That wouldn't even tickle Whis. The guy stood in the heart of a planet exploding while smiling. And Abyss, a Hulk level character, him and his family turned a Beyonder into a Tree.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4474972-new+avengers+032-015.jpg

These are the same beings that killed LT and the Celestial race. You honestly don't have a solid argument right now.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are assuming Zeno's mind is in par with WBH's. Which isn't the case.

Zeno is very immature. Even Goku manages to manipulate him. It shouldn't be hard for Xavier to do it.

That isn't World Breaker Hulk and Zeno mind is above any Hulk.

Zeno is child like but that doesn't mean he can be mind raped. Goku isn't manipulating him, Zeno sees him as a friend.

Originally posted by carver9
Can Hit time stop Zeno?

I never said that Zeno was time manipulating anything during that scene. I brought that scene up because Zeno power transcends time and space.

Whis is>>>a partial piece of the Cosmic cube. The cube is Universal at best. Whis tap Universal beings across the head koing them.

Him reversing time is time traveling. He's traveling BACK in time. Lol.. and Whis is FAR above a Beyonder. Starbrand killed one with a planetary level attack.

That wouldn't even tickle Whis. The guy stood in the heart of a planet exploding while smiling. And Abyss, a Hulk level character, him and his family turned a Beyonder into a Tree.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4474972-new+avengers+032-015.jpg

These are the same beings that killed LT and the Celestial race. You honestly don't have a solid argument right now.

I dont know. Can Zeno travel in time by his own power?

That doesnt mean he is a time manipulator. That means his power isnt limited by time.

Lol No!!! Cosmic cubes make beings have power that transcends universal. Just check the Beyonder or Molecule Man. Again Whis is Universal. He is limited to Universe 7. Else we would see Whis in every Universe.

What!!!? Whis cant travel in time more than a couple of minutes. He isnt a time manipulator. Lol, Whis is Far inferior to an Ivory King. The Beyonders killed by Star Brand arent the same Beyonders that murdered the Cosmic Beings.

Dont confuse the Beyonders that fought the MA with the ones that killed the Cosmic beings.

No they are not the same. Just because they are both Beyonders doesnt mean their power level is the same.

The Three Ivory Kings that killed the Cosmic Beings are FAR MORE POWERFUL than any being DB had to offer. Not even COIE Anti Monitor would par such beings. And Whis isnt to the level of COIE Anti Monitor.

Originally posted by carver9
That isn't World Breaker Hulk and Zeno mind is above any Hulk.

Zeno is child like but that doesn't mean he can be mind raped. Goku isn't manipulating him, Zeno sees him as a friend.

Lol that is clearly trumped the moment Goku manipulates him.

I doubt that. Hulks mind is one of the hardest to attack in Marvel Comics. Zeno is easily cheated by Goku who has 0 mind manipulation abilities.

Based on what? The only thing weve been told has the ability of erasing things. Anything apart from that is pure speculation including him being immune to psychic attacks.

Well everyone seems to realize Goku's lack of respect by nicknaming him. Furthermore he didnt even realized that Goku brought his future self to play with him.Its evident Zeno's mentality isnt the best against manipulation.

Whis is far above a Beyonder. 😂

To quote South Park, this is actually something Carver believes. Telling you man, you can't argue against that level of crazy.

Just read Darksaints posts for the last six months against Carv, eventually he just gave up trying and LOL'd every other post on reflex.

^they're both crazy, tho. 🙂

Whis isn't LT/Ivory King level, but Omni-King isn't losing to Xavier.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
^they're both crazy, tho. 🙂

Whis isn't LT/Ivory King level, but Omni-King isn't losing to Xavier.

Is there evidence that Omni King is immune to Mental Manipulation? Or you are just assuming that because he is the "Omni King"?

Remember Goku has cheated the poor fellow with 0 difficulty, and Goku has 0 mental abilities.

That's actually not entirely accurate..

Goku is an idiot savant when it comes to fighting, and outwitting someone is just another form of combat. Kind of scary evil, the way he rationalizes to his friends and family without a hint of conscience..

Lets add Jiren to the list now.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Lets add Jiren to the list now.

Jiren has shown exorbitant levels of power.

I would dare to say that Jiren is a Celestial in power. A random Celestial though.

Jiren honestly seems to be weaker now than he was at the start of the ToP.

Nah, it's just that Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than they were at the beginning, or even middle of the tournament.

Originally posted by cdtm
[QUOTE=16350088]Originally posted by bbrem123
[B]Which tier list do these DBZ/DBS characters fit in and why?

I'm seeing a massive range of where people think they should be placed.

Base Goku - DBS -Street
SS1 Goku - DBZ - Street
SS3 Goku - DBZ - Streer
SSB Goku - Street
SSB Goku Kaioken x10 - Metw
Beerus - Meta
Whis - Meta
Zeno - Street

This is fine trolling here, does everyone have you on ignore, seems most dont even pay attention to you.

Originally posted by Blindside12
This is fine trolling here, does everyone have you on ignore, seems most dont even pay attention to you.

Yes, everyone has him on ignore.

Anyways, ignoring Josh Alexanders bs, which I've put him on blast for many times in the past-

Base Goku - DBS (current) - Transcendent, possibly higher
SS1 Goku - DBZ - Skyfather
SS3 Goku - DBZ - Skyfather+
SSB Goku - Abstract
SSB Goku Kaioken x10 - Abstract
Beerus - High abstract
Whis - High abstract, possible cosmic
Zeno - Multiversal cosmic, possibly higher