Voldemort vs. Grindelwald

Originally posted by quanchi112
Newt beat him. Period. One inferior wizard and Aurors easily beat Gellert.

If you believe Albus wasn't trying to win I question your ability to assess a scene and the point of the films.

That's baseless once again. Your opinion isn't a valid point.

No. The beast captured Gellert, they didnt beat him. Dont misinterpret things.

No he wasnt. He was protecting Harry which is different from Attacking Harry.
Not to mention Albus was already old.

Your opinion isnt valied either.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. The beast captured Gellert, they didnt beat him. Dont misinterpret things.

No he wasnt. He was protecting Harry which is different from Attacking Harry.
Not to mention Albus was already old.

Your opinion isnt valied either.

We see he attacked Voldemort with flames and the water bubble. Those are both attacks.

My opinion is based off facts yours is just based off what you speculate would occur.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Newt's actions beat him ? It's like saying newt didn't magic did. His actions did so.

We see he attacked Voldemort with flames and the water bubble. Those are both attacks.

My opinion is based off facts yours is just based off what you speculate would occur.

Still, he wasnt beaten magical. Which proves him a better Duelist than Voldemort who ran.

Which facts? Voldemort attacking Dumbledore while Albus was just defending himself and not counter attacking. Albus didnt counter attack, he was just repelling Voldemorts attacks. It is pretty evident.

Grindelwald is a better duelist than Voldemort. Hr has shown to be better until now.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Still, he wasnt beaten magical. Which proves him a better Duelist than Voldemort who ran.

Which facts? Voldemort attacking Dumbledore while Albus was just defending himself and not counter attacking. Albus didnt counter attack, he was just repelling Voldemorts attacks. It is pretty evident.

Grindelwald is a better duelist than Voldemort. Hr has shown to be better until now.

Voldemort faced Albus who defeated Gellert just on his own and Gellert wielded the greatest wand in existence.

No, that's you repeating yourself and ignoring two clear attacks from Albus. Throwing a water bubble and hurling fire are counter attacks.

No, that's just you saying he is while ignoring my points.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was beaten by Newt.

Voldemort faced Albus who defeated Gellert just on his own and Gellert wielded the greatest wand in existence.

No, that's you repeating yourself and ignoring two clear attacks from Albus. Throwing a water bubble and hurling fire are counter attacks.

No, that's just you saying he is while ignoring my points.

Not magically. Rebuked Point.

And voldemort lost. Even when Albus was Old and deffending Harry Voldemort made a fool of himself. I remind you that the Elder Wand has to choose the wearer in order for it to work properly. Grindelwald never had full control over the wand.

Thats you bringing poor points over and over.

We say Grindelwald fighting for 30seconds, and he seemed more powerful than the minutes Voldemort was seen on screen.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not magically. Rebuked Point.

And voldemort lost. Even when Albus was Old and deffending Harry Voldemort made a fool of himself. I remind you that the Elder Wand has to choose the wearer in order for it to work properly. Grindelwald never had full control over the wand.

Thats you bringing poor points over and over.

We say Grindelwald fighting for 30seconds, and he seemed more powerful than the minutes Voldemort was seen on screen.

No, you are factually incorrect but this isn't the first time. Albus used the elder wand and was unable to best Voldemort but he did best Gellert.

Nah.

False. Voldemort's shield feat proves he's far more powerful than Gellert by feats. Also Gellert lost. Guy was soundly beaten.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gellert was defeated by another wizard. An inferior one to Albus.

No, you are factually incorrect but this isn't the first time. Albus used the elder wand and was unable to best Voldemort but he did best Gellert.

Nah.

False. Voldemort's shield feat proves he's far more powerful than Gellert by feats. Also Gellert lost. Guy was soundly beaten.

Which wizzard is that?

No, because Albus never wanted to best Voldemort. 1000x again, he was defending Harry, not trying to defeat Voldemort.

The shield was already weakened by the other wizzards. So that doesnt prove anything.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Which wizzard is that?

No, because Albus never wanted to best Voldemort. 1000x again, he was defending Harry, not trying to defeat Voldemort.

The shield was already weakened by the other wizzards. So that doesnt prove anything.

So Albus was dueling not to win. How does this make any sense. You said he didn't attack but ignore the fire and water bubble.

So you don't believe Voldemort's rage blast proves superior power. We have a direct comparison but nothing Grindelwald did compares to that feat. Nothing. Him losing to Aurors and Newt isn't special it's losing.

Voldemort

Originally posted by juggerman
Voldemort

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit riding my coattails you vagabond.

I stick to facts unlike who just backs your fav

You are the worst and have lied about facts for years in the Albus thread, juggerman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are the worst and have lied about facts for years in the Albus thread, juggerman.

Originally posted by juggerman
Stay on topic. Only troll b!tch boys bring up other threads 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Relevant to my point and your lack of credibility. Keep running.

Since you can't debate the topic you try to bring up other threads. Weak 😂

Originally posted by juggerman
Since you can't debate the topic you try to bring up other threads. Weak 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Newt.

So Albus was dueling not to win. How does this make any sense. You said he didn't attack but ignore the fire and water bubble.

So you don't believe Voldemort's rage blast proves superior power. We have a direct comparison but nothing Grindelwald did compares to that feat. Nothing. Him losing to Aurors and Newt isn't special it's losing.

Ignoring facts wont help your case Quanchi, Gellert wasnt defeated magically. So your point is invalid.

No i wouldnt, Grllert couldnreplicate the samething. That wasnt an attack, he was just rphokding Voldemort. Furthermore, when Albus arrived at the Mistery Dept. He warned Voldemort that the Aurors would be there any minute, Voldemort replied that he then they would be dead by then.

Clearly Voldemort intended for them to die, while Albus intended for him to leave.

Admit it, Voldemort failed. He isnt a duelist!

Gellert STOMPS. Gellert is a better fighter than Voldi.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ignoring facts wont help your case Quanchi, Gellert wasnt defeated magically. So your point is invalid.

No i wouldnt, Grllert couldnreplicate the samething. That wasnt an attack, he was just rphokding Voldemort. Furthermore, when Albus arrived at the Mistery Dept. He warned Voldemort that the Aurors would be there any minute, Voldemort replied that he then they would be dead by then.

Clearly Voldemort intended for them to die, while Albus intended for him to leave.

Admit it, Voldemort failed. He isnt a duelist!

Gellert STOMPS. Gellert is a better fighter than Voldi.

Trying to harm your opponent is an attack. Drowning isn't there to improve how long Voldemort can hold his breath. He said he'd be gone by then.

He intended to kill Albus and leave before that occurred.

To have the upper hand against Albus wielding the elder wand you say he isn't a duelists is appalling to anyone assessing that scene. It's ludicrous.

See and you act ridiculous. Gellert was easily defeated in the first film. He failed and was captured and exposed. He was denied leaving the scene unlike Voldemort. Weak.

Facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was easily defeated by Newt. He has magical means.

Trying to harm your opponent is an attack. Drowning isn't there to improve how long Voldemort can hold his breath. He said he'd be gone by then.

He intended to kill Albus and leave before that occurred.

To have the upper hand against Albus wielding the elder wand you say he isn't a duelists is appalling to anyone assessing that scene. It's ludicrous.

See and you act ridiculous. Gellert was easily defeated in the first film. He failed and was captured and exposed. He was denied leaving the scene unlike Voldemort. Weak.

Facts.

Repeating yourself wont help. He was captured by a beast, not stopped by a wand.

No. There is a difference between attacking and defending. If Albus would have wanted to kill Voldemort he could have. He was defending Harry not Attacking. Else he would have moved arround and left Harry unprotected. That is obvoius.

Yeah, and he failed. He was no match for Albus. Albus was never in danger.

He never had the Upper hand, Albus kicked his ass and forced him to withdraw.

He was courageous and took it against 20+ Aurors. He lost due to the beast, jot to the wizzards.

Gellert is better. It is evident. One scene and we already realize how powerful he really is.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Repeating yourself wont help. He was captured by a beast, not stopped by a wand.

No. There is a difference between attacking and defending. If Albus would have wanted to kill Voldemort he could have. He was defending Harry not Attacking. Else he would have moved arround and left Harry unprotected. That is obvoius.

Yeah, and he failed. He was no match for Albus. Albus was never in danger.

He never had the Upper hand, Albus kicked his ass and forced him to withdraw.

He was courageous and took it against 20+ Aurors. He lost due to the beast, jot to the wizzards.

Gellert is better. It is evident. One scene and we already realize how powerful he really is.

Again you saying what would have happened has never been anything of merit but you somehow don't learn this. Despite the protection of Harry he was involved in a duel. Voldemoet attacked as did Albus. A water bubble is an attack but you don't address my points at all you just simply repeat yourself.

Looking at Albus' facial expressions and watching the films to see how seriously he approached Voldemort and saying he's no match is living in a fanatsy land.

Newt controlled the beast and he didn't treat nor did he want to take them on. They barred his exit and he was forced to duel here go he was captured. Pretty stupid.

Nah, it's evident you are wrong about this. Voldemort clearly wins.