Race Zeta Beams
Race Zeta Beams
Well we know for sure it won't be Quasar. His limit is just under the speed of light. That's why he needs to Quantum Jump. I don't think Runner can do it without warping either.
Gladiator can't do it. We saw on panel, in that Thanos mini, that his speed cap is several hundred times light speed. It's cool but not enough.
That leaves Thor and Surfer.
Thor without Mjolnir isn't doing jacksh|t period. Thor with Mjolnir, without warping, is possible. Mjolnir is a magical artifact and even Surfer was commenting on how fast it moves.
A PIS/CISless Surfer can probably do it. Transform himself into tachyons and have a go at it.
^ You should have posted the first page of that scene, abhi -- it helps gauge/quantify the feat far better, imo:
*Adam zeta-beamed himself and Superman 100 trillion light years away, in the space of a SINGLE PANEL.
Suffice to say, NONE of the contestants here possess the raw speed necessary to outrace zeta-beams, lol. Not even close.
Thor and SS.
Zop made a distinction of Thor without Mjolnir, but thats not really relevant.
In the classic sense theyre a package deal. Like Hal/Ring, Cap/Shield, Batman/Belt, Tony/Armor.
Unless the OP specifies otherwise, and it didnt, why even bother saying 'with/without hammer'?
Aaaanyway, yeah, Thor and SS, they can do it. It would be a bigger feat for Thor than the space faring SS.
Wait, are Zeta beams a means of teleportation or a means of propulsion? Just confused because the OP says that the Adam teleports but that no teleportation is allowed. So is the question who can travel faster than "instantly" or what?
While I won't go so far as to say that Surfer could do it, I will say that I could see it being within the realm of possibility for him. There was one time where him, BRB, and Quasar needed to get somewhere quick so the later two teleported and Surfer seemed to arrive at the same time. It was no where near the distance being discussed though, I'm just pointing out that he's seemingly kept up with long range teleportation before.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
100 trillion light years is way bigger than our own universe. ~90 billion light years.What flight speeds have thor and ss shown on that level?
It took Surfer a fraction of a second to cross 1 whole lightyear, and he was pushing himself.
Eh, we can ball park it pretty well.
Looking at the panels again we see Thanos throw a punch at Cap just as Surfer starts his movement, and we see Thanos' punch get closer and closer to Cap's face before Surfer arrives.
We even see that Cap's facial expression has time to change while Surfer is traveling.
He was gritting his teeth in one panel and his mouth was closed in another.
All in all I'd say it was a 1/10th of a second scene. Even if it was 1/100th of a second it wouldn't be enough.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Eh, we can ball park it pretty well.Looking at the panels again we see Thanos throw a punch at Cap just as Surfer starts his movement, and we see Thanos' punch get closer and closer to Cap's face before Surfer arrives.
We even see that Cap's facial expression has time to change while Surfer is traveling.
He was gritting his teeth in one panel and his mouth was closed in another.
All in all I'd say it was a 1/10th of a second scene. Even if it was 1/100th of a second it wouldn't be enough.
Originally posted by riv6672...Except me saying that NO ONE on this list can outrace zeta-beams isn't just my 'opinion', because NONE of them have feats to suggest they can... Not even remotely close, in fact. Ergo, my 'opinion' here is actually *fact*. 🙂
Scans of them failing to do so?
I mean, if you want scans of my opinion, i'd like some of yours.
Otherwise, we both just have opinions, dont we. mmm
Anywho, you are more than welcome to have an opinion that Thor and Surfer can outrace zeta-beams with their own raw speed. I just hope you realize that your opinion doesn't mean anything at all in this debate, unless you can validate it with *some* form of on panel evidence(which you have yet to do) -- this is referred to as the "burden of proof"... Now IF you are able to provide said evidence, your opinion could then be moved into the realm of *fact*.
This is how debating works. Let me know if I can help you with anything else. 👆
Originally posted by darthgooberTeleportation. It allows for instantaneous travel across any distance... This goes all the way back to its very first appearance in the 1950s.
Wait, are Zeta beams a means of teleportation or a means of propulsion?
Originally posted by StoicBecause zeta-beam literally equates to instantaneous teleportation from one point to another, the only way it could logically be 'outraced' is with *some* form of temporal manipulation/dilation... Basically how Flash 'outran' the Cosmic Gamblers.
I don't think that any of them can do it. I wonder if the Flash can though?
only way i could see it coming even close to happening would be if someone were able to BECOME zeta energy. not impossible for someone like ss but likely against the spirit of the rules. someone could also harness it--maybe more plausible, but under their own power, using only speed? no one here has even remotely CLOSE to the feats to suggest this is even a debatable issue. /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can, easily....he outraced instantaneous transmission before
He raced against zeta beams off panel though.
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