Sandor Clegane vs. Arya Stark

Originally posted by juggerman
Here's the fight: YouTube video

We see Arya winning in the beginning due to Brienne not really taking it seriously. She thinks she'll curb Arya so she basically goes "half speed". After Arya gets her once Brienne picks it up a bit. Arya gets her again and this is where Brienne gets serious. The next exchange is more intense and Brienne come out on top when she kicks Arya. As we can see by the look on her face, Brienne thinks she went too far and is concerned. Once Arya gets up the fight continues. Arya gets disarmed (a win for Brienne if they had one weapon apiece) and pulls the dagger to continue. The fight ends in a draw.

Important things to remember here are: 1. Arya was serious from jump while Brienne wasn't. 2. Brienne could have ended the fight after the kick had she not been concerned for Arya's safety.

The idea of Arya winning against someone like the Hound when she didn't even take a legitimate win against Brienne is ridiculous. Arya gets wrecked here.

Originally posted by juggerman
Here's the fight: YouTube video

We see Arya winning in the beginning due to Brienne not really taking it seriously. She thinks she'll curb Arya so she basically goes "half speed". After Arya gets her once Brienne picks it up a bit. Arya gets her again and this is where Brienne gets serious. The next exchange is more intense and Brienne come out on top when she kicks Arya. As we can see by the look on her face, Brienne thinks she went too far and is concerned. Once Arya gets up the fight continues. Arya gets disarmed (a win for Brienne if they had one weapon apiece) and pulls the dagger to continue. The fight ends in a draw.

Important things to remember here are: 1. Arya was serious from jump while Brienne wasn't. 2. Brienne could have ended the fight after the kick had she not been concerned for Arya's safety.

I agree with everything you said here except for Brienne ending the fight after her kick. She could definitely have followed the kick with a death blow with her sword... but Arya could have rolled away from that as well. So the kick itself was not a guaranteed win for Brienne in a real match because I doubt Arya would have lain on her back as long had it been a real match.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
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The idea of Arya winning against someone like the Hound when she didn't even take a legitimate win against Brienne is ridiculous. Arya gets wrecked here.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I agree with everything you said here except for Brienne ending the fight after her kick. She could definitely have followed the kick with a death blow with her sword... but Arya could have rolled away from that as well. So the kick itself was not a guaranteed win for Brienne in a real match because I doubt Arya would have lain on her back as long had it been a real match.

Arya never took the fight with Brienne seriously. Arya was just "training". And already we can see how Arya had control over the entire fight while Brienne wasn't really a threat to Arya.

The Hound lost to Brienne. Brienne is faster and a better fight than the Hound.

Now Arya is 2x as fast as Brienne with ease. And her fighting skills are on par or maybe even better than that of Brienne.

The Hound has no chance here. 0

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol. Both Arya and Brienne were on "training mode".

Arya wasn't fighting seriously neither. She had this mocking smile on her face all battle long.

Sandor isn't to the level of Brienne. Brienne is above Sandor.

Sandor isn't even considered an elite fighter. So no, he loses to Brienne of Tarth.

Arya is too fast, and too good of a fighter for Sandor to have a chance.

Brienne was clearly holding back more than Arya since Arya knew Brienne was skilled but Brienne had no idea Arya was. Plus Brienne basically told Arya twice that she couldn't duel her.

Arya was taking it more seriously than Brienne at first. Again once Brienne got more serious they stalemated

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Wrong again

Wrong thrice

Originally posted by FrothByte
I agree with everything you said here except for Brienne ending the fight after her kick. She could definitely have followed the kick with a death blow with her sword... but Arya could have rolled away from that as well. So the kick itself was not a guaranteed win for Brienne in a real match because I doubt Arya would have lain on her back as long had it been a real match.

It's debatable sure but she certainly could have pressed the advantage. Either way it's clear for all to see that Arya and Brienne are closer to equals than to one being way batter than the other

Originally posted by juggerman
Brienne was clearly holding back more than Arya since Arya knew Brienne was skilled but Brienne had no idea Arya was. Plus Brienne basically told Arya twice that she couldn't duel her.

Arya was taking it more seriously than Brienne at first. Again once Brienne got more serious they stalemated

Wrong

Wrong again

Wrong thrice

It's debatable sure but she certainly could have pressed the advantage. Either way it's clear for all to see that Arya and Brienne are closer to equals than to one being way batter than the other

Lol. Explain to me how fighting with a smile on the face is considered serious.

Arya was overconfident when fighting Brienne. Arya isnt the type of fighter that would underestimate her foe when fighting seriously.

https://youtu.be/UYWdklp3lVE

Minute 2:30. Thats fighting seriously.

https://youtu.be/4US9QGU2yQI

Thats mocking Brienne.

Arya has clearly surpassed Brienne. Why should the Hound even have a chance here. The hound isnt considered an elite fighter. Arya has clearly surpassed one of the best elite fighters in the realm.

It wouldnt surprise me if Arya has becomed the best fighter in the realm.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol. Explain to me how fighting with a smile on the face is considered serious.

Arya was overconfident when fighting Brienne. Arya isnt the type of fighter that would underestimate her foe when fighting seriously.

https://youtu.be/UYWdklp3lVE

Minute 2:30. Thats fighting seriously.

https://youtu.be/4US9QGU2yQI

[B]Thats mocking Brienne.

Arya has clearly surpassed Brienne. Why should the Hound even have a chance here. The hound isnt considered an elite fighter. Arya has clearly surpassed one of the best elite fighters in the realm.
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It wouldnt surprise me if Arya has becomed the best fighter in the realm. [/B]

Clearly reading isn't your strong suit. I said Arya was taking the fight MORE SERIOUS than Brienne. Brienne had no idea Arya was at all skilled and therefore didn't actually begin trying until she saw Arya had game

It was sparring. Not a life or death fight so that point is moot

If Arya surpassed Brienne then there wouldn't have been a stalemate once Brienne got more serious. Arya couldn't best Brienne when Brienne brought the fight to her. That's a fact

The Hound is one of the best fighter is the series period. Arya is one of the best as well now since she's on par with Brienne

Originally posted by juggerman
Clearly reading isn't your strong suit. I said Arya was taking the fight MORE SERIOUS than Brienne. Brienne had no idea Arya was at all skilled and therefore didn't actually begin trying until she saw Arya had game

It was sparring. Not a life or death fight so that point is moot

If Arya surpassed Brienne then there wouldn't have been a stalemate once Brienne got more serious. Arya couldn't best Brienne when Brienne brought the fight to her. That's a fact

The Hound is one of the best fighter is the series period. Arya is one of the best as well now since she's on par with Brienne

Arya is deadlier when at risk.

Arya would defeat Brienne in a serious fight.

Arya is faster, better trained, and smarter than Sandor. Sandor doesnt have a chance herem

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Arya is deadlier when at risk.

Arya would defeat Brienne in a serious fight.

Arya is faster, better trained, and smarter than Sandor. Sandor doesnt have a chance herem

She certainly isn't. How many men has Arya killed in open combat? Not sneak attacks. Not under the cover of darkness. Not while they are on their knees begging for mercy. And then compare that to Brienne

Possibly but it is far from a forgone conclusion

Faster yes. Better trained depends of what you mean exactly. Smarter is subjective and situational. This isn't a math test after all

Sandor wins.