Happy Columbus Day

Started by Surtur11 pages
Surtur Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
They were natives. At this point, you're a native too, due to the association between you and your country of birth. So they were certainly natives. Hence they are called 'Native Americans', rather than 'Indigenous Americans'. The reason they continue to be called Native Americans is because they were the first major people to populate and inhabit in the area. Seems fair to me.

Well I can respect this outlook. The thing is though, in this country, not everyone would consider me a native.

Scribble Restricted

I'll say it again, Rob made a very good point with that. Even if he was being an ass, which I don't think he was (he's usually way more overt then he does that), it doesn't make his or Vonnegut's point any less pertinent.

Robtard Senor Member
Originally posted by Scribble
I'll say it again, Rob made a very good point with that. Even if he was being an ass, which I don't think he was (he's usually way more overt then he does that), it doesn't make his or Vonnegut's point any less pertinent.

Exactly 👆 Take me out of the equation all together, the quote is as is

Scribble Restricted

Originally posted by Surtur
Well I can respect this outlook. The thing is though, in this country, not everyone would consider me a native.
Well, I guess that's mostly because of the history behind it, as in it would seem disrespectful to start calling yourselves the native people after the ways in which the original natives were stripped of their heritage. But from a technical point of view you and your ancestors have lived their long enough to be considered native by now.

Robtard Senor Member

Everyone knows to be a "native" you have to have at least 1,000 years of family history in the given area. This is a fact.

So Surtur, you're a squatter.

Surtur Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
I'll say it again, Rob made a very good point with that. Even if he was being an ass, which I don't think he was (he's usually way more overt then he does that), it doesn't make his or Vonnegut's point any less pertinent.

In a sane country Rob might have had a point. The "if you act like a bigot you'll be treated like a bigot" thing is just not true for this country. Sadly, you don't need to act like a bigot or a racist to be treated like one.

I've been labeled "alt right" here. I've been labeled a nazi sympathizer as well. Spoiler alert though: I hate nazis and have never once condoned their belief. Likewise, I am not "alt right" by any stretch of the imagination.

Surtur Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
Well, I guess that's mostly because of the history behind it, as in it would seem disrespectful to start calling yourselves the native people after the ways in which the original natives were stripped of their heritage. But from a technical point of view you and your ancestors have lived their long enough to be considered native by now.

So it sounds like we ignore reality because a group of people were oppressed a long time ago.

Raisen Senior Member

Columbus day is for real patriots

Scribble Restricted

Originally posted by Surtur
So it sounds like we ignore reality because a group of people were oppressed a long time ago.
It can be acknowledged without being ignored. I think respect is a very important human trait; you're lucky enough to live in your country, even though it has a dark history, so you may as well have respect for the people that suffered in the past (and in the case of Native Americans, pretty much never stopped getting shafted). I personally just see that as common decency.

Surtur Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
It can be acknowledged without being ignored. I think respect is a very important human trait; you're lucky enough to live in your country, even though it has a dark history, so you may as well have respect for the people that suffered in the past (and in the case of Native Americans, pretty much never stopped getting shafted). I personally just see that as common decency.

Speaking of dark history, did you see how people were complaining over what Trump said about Columbus Day? The complaint was that he didn't bring up our "dark history" like Obama did when he put out these statements on Columbus Day.

Scribble Restricted

Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of dark history, did you see how people were complaining over what Trump said about Columbus Day? The complaint was that he didn't bring up our "dark history" like Obama did when he put out these statements on Columbus Day.
Well it is literally Colombus Day, and Colombus was one of the main ****ers of the Natives, so like I say, it'd be common decency to at least give them a nod. It's not like they get Native Day and a big speech from the president about them any time, so at least give them a bit of a shout out. He doesn't 'have' to, but I think it'd more respectable to do it than not.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Originally posted by Raisen
Columbus day is for real patriots
Ignoring inconvenient parts of our history is not patriotic.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Originally posted by Surtur
In a sane country Rob might have had a point. The "if you act like a bigot you'll be treated like a bigot" thing is just not true for this country. Sadly, you don't need to act like a bigot or a racist to be treated like one.

I've been labeled "alt right" here. I've been labeled a nazi sympathizer as well. Spoiler alert though: I hate nazis and have never once condoned their belief. Likewise, I am not "alt right" by any stretch of the imagination.


I'm not sure where you got the idea that overreaction is something that only happens in America.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Scribble
Surtur, I thought you were against illegal immigration? 🤔
Whew lad. 😂

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
A) "It's the law!"

B) "So if the laws changed?"

A) "It's not just the law!"

😂

Yeah, Surt the Squirt played himself. 👆

One of the more one-sided encounters he's had.

cdtm Restricted
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm not sure where you got the idea that overreaction is something that only happens in America.

I've been thinking a lot about that..

No, it's not only America. It's also Britian, and probably Italy, France, India (Based on some old friends in India, it seems like most Indians trust white European people to run the government more then their fellow Indians. National stockholm syndrome?)

Wondering where people DON'T overreact or polarizd their politics. Maybe even where the majority act civil to each other, instead of like scavengers or wild beasts looking for easy prey..

Canada, maybe? Most Canadians I've met seemed pretty nice..

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol but I never said "the law" was my only argument.
It was the only thing you said, in a direct response to Scrib pointing out that you're against illegal immigration. Your failure to clarify your argument (and yes, by your own words you were actually arguing) further is your own failure, if indeed you're not merely lying to save face. Whether due to stunted skills at communication or genuine stupidity, you played yourself and lost the argument. 👆

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
My opinion is I don't feel what happened to them was right, but what I won't do is feel one ounce of guilt over it.
I also do not feel a single iota of guilt over the actions of a people so far removed from as to be completely alien. I also don't cheekily praise Christopher Columbus and what he did, and can easily acknowledge he was a piece of shit who was literally as bad as Hitler and shouldn't have his own holiday.

Acknowledging and condemning the atrocities of Columbus does not require feeling guilt over them. You don't even need to feel guilt to empathize with the plight of the Native Americans (which I don't particularly do myself). You're a moral coward my friend.

cdtm Restricted
Originally posted by Scribble
It can be acknowledged without being ignored. I think respect is a very important human trait; you're lucky enough to live in your country, even though it has a dark history, so you may as well have respect for the people that suffered in the past (and in the case of Native Americans, pretty much never stopped getting shafted). I personally just see that as common decency.

At least there's casino's..?

Except those only go to a very limited number of people, so maybe not.

And if you can believe Trump, they're really mafia fronts, or so he said (I do think it's funny how Foxwoods and Mohegan never have a single Native American running them..)

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
In a sane country Rob might have had a point. The "if you act like a bigot you'll be treated like a bigot" thing is just not true for this country. Sadly, you don't need to act like a bigot or a racist to be treated like one.
"If you act like a bigot you'll be treated like a bigot" and "you don't need to act like a bigot or a racist to be treated like one" are not exclusive statements.