Originally posted by relentless1
Dude your star wars rankings need alot of tweaking... Sidious is the most powerful Stih Lord in history
Not the most powerful. The smartest yes.
Sidious was able to bring doom to the entire Jedi order along with the Republic.
But he did it due to brains, not through raw power.
Are you familiar with comic vine? Just go and compare the respect threads, there's a plethora of reasons why Sidious eclipses Bane/Malgus.
Bane couldn't even defeat a strike team that housed the mighty Johun Othone until Zannah stabbed Lsu in the back and distracted the others, and he still got shat on by his own lightning. He then gets creamed by mercenaries in his last book, there's really no comparison to Sidious here. Count Dooku>Darth Bane.
Malgus is probably around Vader level, though slightly inferior in almost every aspect. If you had mentioned Valkorion instead of Malgus, then we could have a discussion, but as it stands, the people you think are "WAY STRONGER" than Sidious are more like "WAY SHITTIER."
Also, love how you say "These people might even be better than Yoda", whom Sidious defeated, lol.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not the most powerful. The smartest yes.Sidious was able to bring doom to the entire Jedi order along with the Republic.
But he did it due to brains, not through raw power.
according to Lucas himself Sidious is the most powerful of his kind, kinda hard to phuck with the creator on this one bro
Originally posted by Trocity
Are you familiar with comic vine? Just go and compare the respect threads, there's a plethora of reasons why Sidious eclipses Bane/Malgus.Bane couldn't even defeat a strike team that housed the mighty Johun Othone until Zannah stabbed Lsu in the back and distracted the others, and he still got shat on by his own lightning. He then gets creamed by mercenaries in his last book, there's really no comparison to Sidious here. Count Dooku>Darth Bane.
Malgus is probably around Vader level, though slightly inferior in almost every aspect. If you had mentioned Valkorion instead of Malgus, then we could have a discussion, but as it stands, the people you think are "WAY STRONGER" than Sidious are more like "WAY SHITTIER."
Also, love how you say "These people might even be better than Yoda", whom Sidious defeated, lol.
Originally posted by relentless1
according to Lucas himself Sidious is the most powerful of his kind, kinda hard to phuck with the creator on this one bro
Okay. Have this clear, to me Sidious is my favorite Sith ever, and one of my favorite SW characters.
But if we are honest here, Sidious isn't the most powerful Sith. And i know, as Relentless said, many have considered him the most powerful Sith ever, which is true.
When Lucas said Sidious was the most powerful Sith, I believe he was refering to Sidious status and achievements. Sidious more than being powerful himself he was a master genus. He basically invented the whole Clone Wars! Sidious manage to lurk all the Jedi's including Yoda into a trap. He ended up almost extinguishing all the Jedi in the universe.
Finally Sidious became the Emperor we all know. He reached a position in where no one would oppose him (Sure the Rebels were a problem, but Sedious was basically unstoppable). No Sith (Not even Bane) ever reached such a status.
Here however we are talking about Raw Power. And this is where Sidious own character goes against him.
Sidious never achieved power through conventional means. For instance, he never killed his master in a duel. Instead Sidious was so smart he basically killed him in his sleep. Why would Sidious risk himself to fight Plagueis when he can kill him without even putting much effort?
Now, this is good and bad. Because Sidious by killing Plaeguis in his sleep proves how unconventional and smart Sedious is, but in the same way, it proves that Sidious in a way is a coward.
Plaeguis could have defeated Sidious in a fight. But since a real fight among them never happened... However we can still see Sidious reverence and maybe fear towards Plagueis when he talked about him to Anakin.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg
We can see that Sidious acknowledges Plagueis powers. But again, he talks about "his servant" as beings smarter than Plaguies the wise. The apprentice learnt everything from Plaguis and then as a snake killed him in his sleep. Sidious sounds like Lucifer to me lol. Sidious never dared go against Plaguis into a combat.
Now, Sidious learnt everything from Plagueis according to him. Even if he did, Plagueis isn't to the level of Malgus or Bane.
Going back again to Sidious. He achieved power through his cunning. Sidious wasn't like the other Sith who openly challanged the Jedi. Sidious infiltered himself on the other had, and manage to defeat the Jedi inside out.
Now Trocity says Sidious is so powerful because he went against three of the best Jedi. Nothing Bane or Malgus wouldn't replicate. Furthermore, Sidious actually lost to Mace Windu. If Anakin would have never appeared on the scene, Windu would have won.
Samething happens with Yoda. If the battle would have taken place in flat grounds Sidious would have lost. Yoda had full control of the fight. But in the end the explosion caused Yoda to fall.
Sidious isn't really the Sith who obtained power by his force. Nor is he the elite fighter.
Bane and Malgus were the best of the best.
You see, you can't really compare Sidious to Malgus or Bane.
While Bane and Malgus focused on becoming more powerful and killing Jedi, Sidious focused on the perfect plan to destroy the Jedi.
I see it like this: Bane and Malgus are like the Bulls while Sidious is the Anaconda.
Sidious is very powerful but not to Malgus or Bane's level.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, Sidious continued to grow in power after he murdered Plagueis, that's what Force-users do, they increase in power with practice and discipline.
I agree. Sidious likely grew in power after Plaeguis death.
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Yet i doubt he ever reached Bane or Malgus.
Darth Bane was so powerful in the force that his lightning could crush force fields.
Sidious lightning are powerful but not enough to break Yoda's force field.
Also, as i said before. Sidious most likely focused on developing plans to defeat the Jedi rather than training himself.
Sidious is one of the most powerful Sith ever. But he still falls under Bane or Malgus (In terms of force power).
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, Sidious continued to grow in power after the events of ep3, that's what Force-users do, they increase in power with practice and discipline.
No.
Sidious wasn't the type of Sith who was looking to improve his force abilities.
Sidious was the Emperor type of Sith who focused himself on maintaining his dominance.
Sidious isn't an exceptional duelist.
Originally posted by Rebel95
I hope you're trolling. Sidious is the most powerful sith lord in history, this is basically common knowledge
IK it's common knowledge.
I disagree with it however. As well as do others.
So just because someone has a different opinion from the horde it's considered trolling or erroneous?
Sidious isn't the type of Sith who obtained power through force. He did it through brains.
Bane and Malgus showed more power on the battle field than any Sidious did in the 6 films of Star Wars!
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
IK it's common knowledge.I disagree with it however. As well as do others.
So just because someone has a different opinion from the horde it's considered trolling or erroneous?
Sidious isn't the type of Sith who obtained power through force. He did it through brains.
Bane and Malgus showed more power on the battle field than any Sidious did in the 6 films of Star Wars!
so you're saying that if everybody looks up at the sky and agrees its blue but you come along and insist its green that makes it so?? Its hard canon that Sidious is the most powerful Sith in history; he's their greatest swordsman and force user, i don't really have the gumption to provide example after example but check the respect threads on this site or comic vine for further info
Originally posted by relentless1
so you're saying that if everybody looks up at the sky and agrees its blue but you come along and insist its green that makes it so?? Its hard canon that Sidious is the most powerful Sith in history; he's their greatest swordsman and force user, i don't really have the gumption to provide example after example but check the respect threads on this site or comic vine for further info
If that person is showing more concrete evidence than the horde, does it mean that it should be considered stupid and ignore? Remember in the beginning the earth was considered flat by the horde....
If you want to debate then hear my points and use evidence to rebuke them. Don't come with the cheap argument that "everyone says this, therefore you are wrong".
And i disagree too. I am a fan of Sidious. I know what Sidious did in the 6 movies and in the various shows.
Sidious never equalled what Bane and Malgus did.
Sidious wasn't the Sith who went after the Jedi himself; he played the Clones to do it for him.
Even if Sidious is more powerful than them, the fact is that he never showed such power on screen.
One way or the next it's just a theory.
Snoke could either be a new villain no one knew.
But if the Theories are right and Snoke is actually an old Sith its gonna be amazing.
It also makes perfect sense with why Sidious was so obsessed with the Unknown regions of the Galaxy.
Sidious is powerful. But if the Theories of Snoke being an Old Sith that for some reason was locked in a chamber, then we are talking about a Sith whose powers would easily dwarf Sidious.
But again it's just theories.
Originally posted by Rebel95
Seriously? What about when he blitzed 3 jedi masters? Or defeated Yoda, arguably the most powerful jedi of all time? Or toyed with Maul and Opress?
Okay first of all, he never defeated Yoda.
The same way he never defeated Windu.
Malgus killed several more Jedi than Sidious did (Ofcourse Sidious gave order 66, but it isn't like he killed them himself).
Sidious never went after the Jedi the way Malgus did.
Sidious is powerful. But again, he never showed the amount of powers Malgus, Bane or Plagueis were described to have possessed.
Perhaps Sidious never had the necessity of showing it. Nevertheless, we will never know that.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay first of all, he never defeated Yoda.The same way he never defeated Windu.
Malgus killed several more Jedi than Sidious did (Ofcourse Sidious gave order 66, but it isn't like he killed them himself).
Sidious never went after the Jedi the way Malgus did.
Sidious is powerful. But again, he never showed the amount of powers Malgus, Bane or Plagueis were described to have possessed.
Perhaps Sidious never had the necessity of showing it. Nevertheless, we will never know that.
What powers have they shown that Sidious isn't capable of?