Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]So in Robbie's "SCIENTIFIC" View Point. An Embryo is fully capable of becoming a Full Human all on its own? [/B]
I think the consensus now is that you have to overlook the fact that these embryos would all die in this scenario to make it a more morally difficult decision to make.
Originally posted by Robtard
That is the one thing that boggles the mind, they're the ones more likely to be against sexual education in schools and free or ease of access contraception, two things that do in fact lower abortion rates. One would think that even if you find learning about sex and being on the pill to be wrong, it is still better than more abortions.
If you believe life begins at conception, then all methods of birth control prevent human life. Preventing a life and terminating one are nearly equivalent in that mindset.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you believe life begins at conception, then all methods of birth control prevent human life. Preventing a life and terminating one are nearly equivalent in that mindset.
Which is why it's a no no for some religions. Well, that and not as many people to fill the collection plates.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, this guy trying to be clever. The point is that you're allowed to end your cat's life without repercussion legally, but if someone else did sans your permission, that's a crime. See: Intent
And again, Rob: the point I was making has nothing to do with that lol. The entire thing that set off this chain of comments was me talking about determining if it was a life or not. It was not about assuming it was a life and figuring out what the intent was in killing it.
Did you want to try again? Because you've literally been arguing something I'm not even debating anymore lol. I'm talking about determining whether or not you consider it a life, I am not talking about laws or intent or any of that.
Intent does matter. Killing someone in self defense is fine. Doing it because you're irresponsible? Nah.
Originally posted by Surtur
And again, Rob: the point I was making has nothing to do with that lol. The entire thing that set off this chain of comments was me talking about determining if it was a life or not. It was not about assuming it was a life and figuring out what the intent was in killing it.
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Originally posted by socool8520
I think the consensus now is that you have to overlook the fact that these embryos would all die in this scenario to make it a more morally difficult decision to make.
Obviously the scenario is that the embryos are viable, who is going to care about dead cells in a tube.
Originally posted by Robtard
See: Cat
See: Why does its death not count as a crime if you do it as opposed to someone else with your permission
See: Intent
See: Yourself to nap, cos you're done here
And Rob, I'm only putting my cat to sleep if she is SUFFERING HORRIBLY and would be better off dead. Not because I'm just so irresponsible I can't deal with her. You see I CHOSE to get a cat, just like people CHOOSE to have sex. So cool man. We got another instance where it's okay. The first is if the baby is a risk to the mothers health. The second is if the baby itself will be born with various illnesses that will make his or her life horrible.
Originally posted by Surtur
Adam, did you feel you proved a point? I'm saying intent doesn't matter in determining whether or not it's a life.How does your cat scenario have anything to do with that? Am I only determining if it's a cat or not depending on if some dipshit shoots it or if I euthanize it?
I did, and you are too stupid to recognize it.
No one is denying that the fetus is a life, any more than anyone is denying that your cat is a living thing.
In one scenario, it is legally permissible to kill it, and in another, it is not.
The difference is contextual, and part of that context is intent.
Your veterinarian may legally euthanize your cat with your permission, just as a doctor may legally terminate a pregnancy with the permission of the woman.
But your neighbor cannot legally shoot your cat in the head with a pistol, any more than an assailant can legally punch a pregnant woman in the stomach.
Originally posted by Surtur
And hell if you want to talk intent okay: the only reasonable reason to purposely end a life is self defense. That means if it presents a medical issue to the mother. Just having unprotected sex and deciding you don't want to deal with the consequences is not self defense.
So now you're outright against abortion unless the mother might die. That means sorry if the condom broke. Sorry if the pill failed. Sorry if you were raped.
About time you were open and honest with your views 👆
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I did, and you are too stupid to recognize it.No one is denying that the fetus is a life, any more than anyone is denying that your cat is a living thing.
In one scenario, it is legally permissible to kill it, and in another, it is not.
The difference is contextual, and part of that context is intent.
Your veterinarian may legally euthanize your cat with your permission, just as a doctor may legally terminate a pregnancy with the permission of the woman.
But your neighbor cannot legally shoot your cat in the head with a pistol, any more than an assailant can legally punch a pregnant woman in the stomach.
But you didn't prove a point, nice try.
Originally posted by Robtard
So now you're outright against abortion unless the mother might die. That means sorry if the condom broke. Sorry if the pill failed. Sorry if you were raped.About time you were open and honest with your views 👆
And Rob, posts like this are why you're a dishonest piece of shit. I never said I'm against abortion unless the mother will die. I said if you really want to get into "oh the intent!" well, we can get into that. The intent behind getting an abortion because you're too dumb or lazy to use a condom is not sufficient enough to let someone off the hook.
So no, I am fine with an abortion for any reason in the first trimester, and even after that trimester is over I am for it if it presents a health risk. You brought up intent, and if you really want to make it all about intent we can.
Originally posted by Surtur
And Rob, posts like this are why you're a dishonest piece of shit. I never said I'm against abortion unless the mother will die. I said if you really want to get into "oh the intent!" well, we can get into that. The intent behind getting an abortion because you're too dumb or lazy to use a condom is not sufficient enough to let someone off the hook.
It seemed like you were airing your personal views finally. If you were being hypothetical, then okay. Calm the eff down though.
Originally posted by Robtard
It seemed like you were airing your personal views finally. If you were being hypothetical, then okay. Calm the eff down though.
Oh please, I said "and hell if you want to talk about intent". That is clear I'm coming at it strictly from how you are: intent. I said before that I am pro choice in the first trimester.