Originally posted by Beniboybling
DMB is right. Jesus won't make you turn commie, but it's what he wants. 🙁
Originally posted by RobtardI think what DMB is saying is that the force aspect is inherent in Communism.
Force you, no? But you're likely not joining Heaven's Club if you don't share/spread your wealth with those less fortunate. Matthew 19:24
But beyond that, it seems painfully obvious to me that Communism is fundamentally at odds with Christianity since it is expressly Atheistic and is based on a purely materialistic POV. In fact, it's so relentlessly materialistic that it essentially frames religion as nothing more than a distraction from improving the material conditions of the working class.
Where as Jesus rejected the material world and lived a highly ascetic lifestyle. He was less of a utopian and more focused on introspection.
Originally posted by socool8520
Didn't they infer a relationship with Mary Magdaline? I know it wasn't stated in the Bible. There is also that time skip where he could have been chilling with the ladies.
You're thinking of Scrosese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ', which the churches had a hissy fit over as it portrayed Jesus as imperfect, basically a normal flawed human with wants, needs and desires
Yes, but Christ wasn't a normal human but God in the form of a human. So his purpose on earth wasn't to marry and spawn progeny, which is the practical purpose of a relationship.
He was also severely ascetic as I mentioned. He isn't meant to be concerned with attending to his own human carnal desires.
100% real historical accuracy as to how people reacted to Jesus.
Originally posted by socool8520I think there's a verse in Matthew or something on which that is based.. where to think of a sin is just as bad as sinning
That's pretty illogical considering God was the one who made it so that we would desire each other.
But i'm pretty sure all Christian denominations are fine with sex within a marriage... which is what people propose with the Jesus and Mary Mag rumors. So I really don't think its cause it's sinful.. it's just not really what his purpose is. Also if he had kids you would run into all sorts of theological questions about their nature. Demigods? or what.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I think what DMB is saying is that the force aspect is inherent in Communism.
The forced communism, by governments, is the first phase of Marxist Communism but the Christian Communism is Pure Communism, which is the intended outcome in Marxist Communism.
Pure Communism = Good
Forced Communism by the government = Bad
To put it more clearly, Marx outlined a transitional period between strong socialism (the government forced "communism"😉 and Pure Communism.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
But beyond that, it seems painfully obvious to me that Communism is fundamentally at odds with Christianity since it is expressly Atheistic and is based on a purely materialistic POV. In fact, it's so relentlessly materialistic that it essentially frames religion as nothing more than a distraction from improving the material conditions of the working class.Where as Jesus rejected the material world and lived a highly ascetic lifestyle. He was less of a utopian and more focused on introspection.
The societal system of Christianity, as directly taught by Jesus Christ and actually executed by the Apostles IS Pure Communism. It is as communistic as it gets.
I think maybe everything will be more clear if we stop calling it communism and call what you and others do not like Socialism. That's really what you and others are talking about, not communism.
Originally posted by dadudemonSo then he hypothesized that your "pure communism" would eventually replace the tyrannical form and that the initial tyranny was a necessary transitional stage? Am I understanding that correctly?
The forced communism, by governments, is the first phase of Marxist Communism but the Christian Communism is Pure Communism, which is the intended outcome in Marxist Communism.Pure Communism = Good
Forced Communism by the government = Bad
To put it more clearly, Marx outlined a transitional period between strong socialism (the government forced "communism"😉 and Pure Communism.
The societal system of Christianity, as directly taught by Jesus Christ and actually executed by the Apostles IS Pure Communism. It is as communistic as it gets.Maybe elaborate?
I think maybe everything will be more clear if we stop calling it communism and call what you and others do not like Socialism. That's really what you and others are talking about, not communism.I support a sort of FDR style socialism actually. But I see a pretty big difference between that and full blown we-share-everything.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
So then he hypothesized that your "pure communism" would eventually replace the tyrannical form and that the initial tyranny was a necessary transitional stage? Am I understanding that correctly?
YUP! That's exactly what Marx believed.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Maybe elaborate?
I did, earlier, which is why we are talking about this. I directly quoted verses from the New Testament that describes textbook Pure Communism.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I support a sort of FDR style socialism actually. But I see a pretty big difference between that and full blown we-share-everything.
It's simple: the forced socialism stuff doesn't work. It just doesn't work. A combination, which is what America and almost every nation on the planet, is what works. So more socialism and some more capitalist.
If a place collects taxes and people get anything at all, that benefits society as a whole, from those taxes, that's socialism.