Originally posted by Surtur
What reason would they have to put Muslims under surveillance?Racism probably.
If putting all Muslims under surveillance is the proper course of action because a small number of them freak out and murder people, shouldn't we take a lesson and also put White American men under surveillance? eg Look what recently happened in Las Vegas.
Originally posted by Robtard
If putting all Muslims under surveillance is the proper course of action because a small number of them freak out and murder people, shouldn't we take a lesson and also put White American men under surveillance? eg Look what recently happened in Las Vegas.
#DifferentCozReasons
I agree collective guilt is bad, but race is not remotely the same thing as culture/ideology. While I agree blanket surveillance of all Muslims is unethical because collective guilt is total horseshit, you're drawing a false equivalency between taking action against a culture and taking action against a race.
Originally posted by Robtard
If putting all Muslims under surveillance is the proper course of action because a small number of them freak out and murder people, shouldn't we take a lesson and also put White American men under surveillance? eg Look what recently happened in Las Vegas.
I never said we should put all muslims under surveillance lol.
I think at one point they will have us all under surveillance though.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I agree collective guilt is bad, but race is not remotely the same thing as culture/ideology. While I agree blanket surveillance of all Muslims is unethical because collective guilt is total horseshit, you're drawing a false equivalency between taking action against a culture and taking action against a race.
Eh, not sure I would label "White American men" a "race" unto themselves. Now if I said "all White men", I'd see your point, but WAM are more like a culture/ideology if you really think about it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Eh, not sure I would label "White American men" a "race" unto themselves.
It's still not an equivalency to compare how someone was born to what ideology, culture, and values they hold. The fact that you threw in the specificity of two more arbitrary demographic classifications doesn't change that point.
This is why it's justifiable to consider certain cultures, values, and ideologies superior or inferior to others, but not justifiable to consider certain races or biological sexes superior or inferior to others.
I agree with you, collective guilt is a horrible standard to hold people to, and there is ideological diversity between Muslims, but to say that there is an equivalency between a culture/ideology and an arbitrary demographic is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Robtard
Now if I said "all White men", I'd see your point, but WAM are more like a culture/ideology if you really think about it.
Originally posted by Robtard
There was nothing arbitrary. 'White American men' was and is specific.
Originally posted by Robtard
Are we to assume that Whites just don't have a culture onto themselves, when Blacks, Asians, Hispanics etc in American do?Disagreed and you'd see it, if you REALLY thought about it.
They argue America and the West was built by white culture, and America's Founding Fathers were white American males, all but one of its Presidents were white American males, most of the influential people who have built and shaped Western Nations have been white, then they see how much poorer Latin America is, the barbaric practices and cultures in parts of Africa and the Middle East, they point to the disproportionately high violent crime rate of the black community, and they come to the conclusion that "White culture" is better than "brown culture," and because culture is indivisible from race they claim white people are superior, and that white people need an ethnostate to protect their culture.
I think considering race and culture the same thing or inextricably linked is a ****ing awful idea, because I think it's racist to judge people's culture values and ideology on the basis of their skin color. I think it's a ****ing awful idea to judge somebody on the basis of their skin color, and perfectly valid to make value judgements about a person's ideology.