I got the impression that Lifebringer would beat the mess out of the Butcher. Mainly due to how easily he defeated Chaos and Order. The Butcher was defeated by Ego, and even though Ego is a powerful character, I don't think that I'd place him on that level. I do realize that before Ego robbed him of the Necrosword that he was getting destroyed, but I'm just not convinced that Lifebringer wouldn't have been able to do it easier if he really wanted to destroy Ego.
It was pretty one sided. Sucker "punch" by ego. Then Butcher threw a world in his eye and stabbed him in the face. Then Ego immediately got the power of the Necrosword and ate Galactus.
I honestly don't know who would win. The amp the Sword gives leaves the bearer several orders of magnitude hightler than they were but it's hard to tell what the limit is.
It was made to kill God's and be wielded by one so I doubt the amp is as much based on who your stabbing and whose doing the stabbing.
Originally posted by StoicWe now know the instability of the multiverse at the time skewed the hierarchy tremendously, and allowed weaker characters to overthrow more powerful characters(*see Order & Chaos casually murdering LT himself*)
I got the impression that Lifebringer would beat the mess out of the Butcher. Mainly due to how easily he defeated Chaos and Order.
Suffice to say: that makes Lifebringer's trouncing of O&C questionable at best, as we have no idea if he still could have beaten them under 'normal/stable' circumstances.
Originally posted by Galan007
We now know the instability of the multiverse at the time skewed the hierarchy tremendously, and allowed weaker characters to overthrow more powerful characters(*see Order & Chaos casually murdering LT himself*)Suffice to say: that makes Lifebringer's trouncing of O&C questionable at best, as we have no idea if he still could have beaten them under 'normal/stable' circumstances.
It could also mean that in the here and now, LB Galactus has moved up the cosmic ladder. If he were incapable of operating on that level, Eternity would have never sent him to investigate his imprisonment.
You don't send a light weight on a mission of that importance, unless you knew they'd fail and went for it anyway? It also takes more power to create life out of inert matter, than it does to destroy a living planet. LB Galactus may be able to take the necro blade from the Butcher, as he is now far above what he was as the devourer.
Granted I'm not crazy about his color, they should have cast him in cobalt steel armor.
All the same, as the universal laws exist in Marvel currently, LB Galactus is powerful enough to kick Chaos and Order's butts again. He has taken on a higher role in that particular universe's reality, which also came with a decent power up.
He used to be on the In-Betweener's level and no real threat to mid range Abstracts. Now he can defeat them. I'm not certain if there is a reason that calls for us to diminish his current power level. Things have changed in the Marvel cosmology and there really isn't a reason to resist the change imo. You know what I mean? Unless you believe that there is reason?
After all we both read that the cosmology had changed.
Galactus was then forcibly assaulted in order to rewrite his cosmic standing. It nearly worked, until it was interrupted by forces that went unaccounted for.
Which then allowed for him to wrestle back to the level that Lagos sought to strip him of.
The Butcher shouldn't be able to defeat Lifebringer. He's just physically weaker.
Originally posted by StoicAs I said: Lifebringer beat Order & Chaos in the SAME unstable cosmology that allowed O&C to outright kill LT himself. IOW, that particular feat is not indicative of Lifebringer's *true* capabilities in any way/shape/form, and may as well be thrown out.
It could also mean that in the here and now, LB Galactus has moved up the cosmic ladder.
...Unless, of course, you think O&C can *still* murder LT in the current/stable cosmology..? ermm
Originally posted by StoicBased on what proof, though?
All the same, as the universal laws exist in Marvel currently, LB Galactus is powerful enough to kick Chaos and Order's butts again.
I mean, in the current/stable cosmology, it required "ALL" of Lifebringer's power just to conjure a wormhole capable of transporting Surfer and Dawn to the end of the universe:
https://i.imgur.com/lYucrHq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6Hg55lo.jpg
Lifebringer was also explicitly unable to breach the shield Cap placed around earth during 'Secret Empire':
https://i.imgur.com/VJxOaQQ.jpg
...This is the same shield that Quasar(Avril) one-pieced, mind you:
https://i.imgur.com/LO6l8V1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dzJNc7B.jpg
Hence why I made this thread. BOTH of these versions are chock-full of fail. 😉
The fact that O&C killed the LT implies that they either moved up the cosmology tier or the LT was knocked down the tier, which means they were either the same and LT was kicked down a few notches or far more powerful than normal to be able to kill LT with that cheap shot in that unstable,cosmology. In fact judging by how they fared the second time,it appears that they didn't get any weaker. The first time,they were trashed,the second time after they killed the LT,they equaled Galactus.....
Hence they didn't actually get weaker
As for dawn and surfer, iirc,Galactus had been preventing the collapse of eternity by holding back two primordial artifacts for a Long time that were focing themselves to come together to the point where he called the surfer, even looking at Galactus at that point, his appearance shows how much Weaker he had grown,and it wasn't just surfer and dawn he TPd too,it was also the said artifacts that were forcing themselves together
Iirc LB Galactus was weakened at the time of the shield
Originally posted by Genii96Same variance in power certainly applies to Lifebringer as well, given that he is also a member of the cosmological hierarchy... Hence why his feat of beating O&C is ambiguous, and moreover worthless in a normal/stable setting... Just like O&C killing LT. 👆
The fact that O&C killed the LT implies that they either moved up the cosmology tier or the LT was knocked down the tier, which means they were either the same and LT was kicked down a few notches or far more powerful than normal to be able to kill LT with that cheap shot in that unstable,cosmology. In fact judging by how they fared the second time,it appears that they didn't get any weaker. The first time,they were trashed,the second time after they killed the LT,they equaled Galactus.....
Hence they didn't actually get weaker
Originally posted by Genii96Uhuh. This doesn't change the fact that it still took "ALL" of Lifebringer's "VAST" power to conjure a wormhole capable of transporting Surfer and Dawn to the end of the universe. 👆
As for dawn and surfer, iirc,Galactus had been preventing the collapse of eternity by holding back two primordial artifacts for a Long time that were focing themselves to come together to the point where he called the surfer, even looking at Galactus at that point, his appearance shows how much Weaker he had grown,and it wasn't just surfer and dawn he TPd too,it was also the said artifacts that were forcing themselves together
Originally posted by Genii96Nope. The scan I posted is from 'The Ultimates²' #100 -- no implication that Lifebringer was weakened in the slightest there... Quite the contrary, in fact.
Iirc LB Galactus was weakened at the time of the shield
Anywho, I'm not trying to lowball Lifebringer here. Just pointing out that the 'fail-force' isn't exclusive to Necro-G... Lifebringer is touched by it as well.
Originally posted by Galan007
As I said: Lifebringer beat Order & Chaos in the SAME unstable cosmology that allowed O&C to outright kill LT himself. IOW, that particular feat is not indicative of Lifebringer's *true* capabilities in any way/shape/form, and may as well be thrown out....Unless, of course, you think O&C can *still* murder LT in the current/stable cosmology..? ermm
Based on what proof, though?
I mean, in the current/stable cosmology, it required [b]"ALL"
of Lifebringer's power just to conjure a wormhole capable of transporting Surfer and Dawn to the end of the universe:
https://i.imgur.com/lYucrHq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6Hg55lo.jpgLifebringer was also explicitly unable to breach the shield Cap placed around earth during 'Secret Empire':
https://i.imgur.com/VJxOaQQ.jpg...This is the same shield that Quasar(Avril) one-pieced, mind you:
https://i.imgur.com/LO6l8V1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dzJNc7B.jpgHence why I made this thread. BOTH of these versions are chock-full of fail. 😉 [/B]
Ok Galan, how powerful is LT now, where does he stand, is he multiversal, still the most powerful among cosmic beings etc...?
@ galan,having trouble quoting your post for some reason
Galactus' power level would not have been affected by eternity being out of whack,because Galactus is not from this eternity, nor are his Powers linked to it, he is connected to the 6th eternity, which as we later saw, is separate from all other ones,he is not engrained in this eternity, therefore his power level would not have been affected either,as it isn't connected to this eternity
It took all his power LEFT to send them and bfr the things that were forcing their way together,let's not ignore the fact that he had been preventing the collapse of eternity by holding them at bay for a Long time prior to that,,and looking at him at that point, he was clearly not at good health. Galactus has opened rifts to the outside of the multi verse twice as the LB easily
Didn't he say he couldn't bust it just after they had beaten the first firmament and his dark celestials? Cuz he was still recovering at that point, or was it another time frame?
Originally posted by Genii96Again, the power of Order & Chaos(as well as their amalgam, Logos) obviously did fluctuate... And tremendously so.
Galactus' power level would not have been affected by eternity being out of whack,because Galactus is not from this eternity, nor are his Powers linked to it, he is connected to the 6th eternity, which as we later saw, is separate from all other ones,he is not engrained in this eternity, therefore his power level would not have been affected either,as it isn't connected to this eternity
Recall the sequence of their fail...
-O&C get stomped by Lifebringer.
-O&C proceed to kill LT.
-O&C + In-Betweener fuse into a more powerful amalgam(ie. Logos).
-Logos stomps Lifebringer along with a handful of weakened Celestials.
-Once the cosmology had properly solidified, Logos is utterly trounced by the f*cking Tiger God(a goddamn earth-based animal totem, lol.)
That is the type of laughable fluctuation in power I have been referring to here. That is what makes Lifebringer beating O&C wholly ambiguous/worthless. 🙂
Originally posted by Genii96Nope. Lifebringer flatly stated that whipping up said wormhole would consume "ALL" of his still "VAST" power... No mention of him already being weakened to any extent(quite the contrary, actually):
It took all his power LEFT to send them
Originally posted by Genii96Different timeframe. As mentioned, the scan I posted is from 'The Ultimates²' #100 -- Lifebringer was back at full power then.
Didn't he say he couldn't bust it just after they had beaten the first firmament and his dark celestials? Cuz he was still recovering at that point, or was it another time frame?
Originally posted by InedianLT and the rest of the hierarchy resumed their normal statuses/roles after Eternity had properly solidified/normalized:
Ok Galan, how powerful is LT now, where does he stand, is he multiversal, still the most powerful among cosmic beings etc...?
So yeah, LT is back to being the judge of all things, etc.(even though the above scan tells us he is just an inner function of Eternity, heh...)
