Wonder Woman Vs Flash

Background info would be helpful here.
So far the argument for the Flash side has been:
1) Speedsteal
2) Everything else

I've largely been dealing with, and think I've legitimately dealt with, most of what comprises #2.

I'm curious how effective Speedsteal has proven in the comic record, though.
Your 1st scan, DS, the one of Flash versus guillotine, seems to show that Speedsteal can only slow, not stop, momentum.

On the other hand, from the monologue, I'm gathering that's a rather special death machine Flash is dealing with, not something ordinary.

The 2nd scan, perhaps more relevant, suggests Flash can take some measure of super speed away from people, but, again, not stop momentum:

Given that Wonder Woman, like Superman, has the strength to participate in the following:

I'm inclined to believe Speedsteal would be ineffective for preventing Diana from an opening bell takeoff to the sky.

Looking like this thread will effectively be a 20 pager, start to finish.
Plan is for a run down on that page akin to Respect Thread format.
Flash, fights, feats, apparent upgrades, consistent M.O. and timeline.
Ditto for Diana. Complete reference information for major relevant image submissions, or at least as complete as I can make it with no one on the other side apparently knowing where their stuff is from or willing to share.

Doing this properly will take a lot more time and discipline than conventional posting. I'll try to re-teach myself to post text as click-able links.

In the meantime, while I've got this stuff in my possession, some final submissions. Generally these will reflect strategic thinking, use of environmental resources, damage soak and/or recovery ability, physics behavior for characters with similar traits, and/or habitual/default behavior of one or both characters.

OMAC, title of the opponent Diana is fighting in this selection, is a sort of DC equivalent of the mutant-hunting Sentinels of Marvel Comics' X-Men. Just as Sentinels have the technology to contend with or neutralize mutant superpowers, so, too, do OMACs have the power to make themselves powerful enough to give DC metahumans fits.
As shown in this particular scan, they can even give, and DID give, Superman himself serious problems, and I'm told they INSTANTLY shut down a Superman-counterpart called the Eradicator when he went against them. Diana faces several OMAC units during the time of this story arc, and her particular opponent for this showing, she fought despite recent injury, after disabling 2 other units.

Source: Wonder Woman #221, Volume 2

Boards seem deserted today.
I could understand this particular thread, but even the "Galan Day" thread received less than a page of traffic, where normally it averaged 3 or 4, and no one seems to be contributing to the General discussion or Off-Topic forums either.

At any rate, as a surprising amount of discussion has centered around Slade Wilson, a.k.a. "Deathstroke" in this thread, it's interesting to note what new power boost they added to that particular character in the "Rebirth" books :

JLA versus Fernus, Round 1

(Or, examining Flash's habitual behavior and knockout threshold.
To be fair, no one save Fernus himself comes out looking all that great in this initial installment.)

Source: JLA: Trial by Fire

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

The Brave and the Bold scan still doesn't show much, especially as we know Flash has MUCH better evacuation feats:

The "Shattered God" parry should suffice to show Wonder Woman has better than picosecond speed and reaction time.

But, yes, on Flash's side, Chongjin, Korea was pretty impressive ...

Source: JLA: Trial by Fire

that feat someone calculated wally was moving at 13 trillion speed of light
also barry has less than attosecond reaction

it's ridiculous

Originally posted by MrMind
that feat someone calculated wally was moving at 13 trillion speed of light
also barry has less than attosecond reaction

it's ridiculous

You bring up yet another point: What happens when a comic creative team gets their own feat wrong? Mind you, I don't know if Chonjin represents a faster than light feat.

(Perhaps the poster named "H1" might wander in. Then we'll know.
Calculating stuff like that is a favorite hobby of his.)

But if Chongjin IS a faster-than-light evacuation of that nuked Korean city, shown in that JLA "Trial by Fire" selection I just gave above, then who should be the authority? The writers who are giving wrong information? Or the fans who are correcting them?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=477038&pagenumber=10

Need Pr's mini-guide "how-to" word links, stat.
I remember the key is to leave "Automatically parse URLs" an UNchecked option.
But the instructions themselves are an imbedded code which only using the "Quote" feature reveals, which he first shared with me in that thread I linked above. Let's see if I can reveal the actual code, though ... it MIGHT be possible:

Originally posted by -Pr-
like this?

Page 4

Nope. Not possible.

And allowing such to become a quote makes the instructions irretrievable AS a quote in subsequent posts.

Annoying hassle. Now I remember why I so rarely used that format.

Still, great model, so let me leave that here

Page 4

... and use that model to link to

Damage Control

then

Shattered Reform Parry

Originally posted by MrMind
that feat someone calculated wally was moving at 13 trillion speed of light
also barry has less than attosecond reaction

it's ridiculous

I'm interested to see if there's more than 1 or 2 places where this "attosecond" language is used. For the most part, it does NOT appear as if Wally customarily operates this way. He doesn't come "prepared" like this to the average fight, rather he seems to launch himself into a foray more or less confident he can adapt and react to what is thrown his way.

And it makes sense that he would NOT spend overmuch time in "Attosecond Land". People forget the FLIP side of seeing the world like that:

Source: JLA Tower of Babel, IIRC

So all the scans you've shown are useless.....

They show Flash not knowing who he's fighting, fighting opponents other than WW, attempting to obfuscate with usage of PIS and out of context scans, and just general meandering posts which lead nowhere.

As par for the course.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So all the scans you've shown are useless.....

They show Flash not knowing who he's fighting, fighting opponents other than WW, attempting to obfuscate with usage of PIS and out of context scans, and just general meandering posts which lead nowhere.

As par for the course.

1. Only thing that would make these scans useless is TurboImageHost shutting down.

2. The scans show how Flash, in character, approaches a wide variety of opponents, something necessary to prove what we see from him is CIS, not PIS.

3. Wonder Woman beat Flash the only time I know of that they fought, at least the Wonder Woman and Flash the original poster of this thread specified.

4. I don't think anyone can claim to have put more effort into providing context for these showings than me, even to several times asking you and others to contribute to providing reference information so people can read these books on their own.

O, OK.

Since we are using characters which aren't in the thread to prove points.

Speaking of scans, where are the ones YOU promised?
It's been more than a week now ...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

When I get home, I'll post scans of WALLY and Zoom. And how despite getting several hits of the sonic booms, he's still fighting.

Finally.

Thank you.

Can you tell me where that story is from?

More.

This time, he gets hit.....but is OK.

And this time:
https://s5.postimg.org/7d6e94nw7/profandzom16.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/a79jmkamv/profandzom17.jpg

And a third time!

https://s5.postimg.org/b9jq53lqf/barywalzom9.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/zdahtdwhj/barywalzom10.jpg

Much is often made of "Lunchspeed" Flash in the Superman series "Grounded".

Famously, in Superman #709, we get the following:

Very impressive.

What younger readers probably do not realize, however, is that this is little more than an altered, albeit well done, re-telling, of Barry Flash's origin, at least as it appeared in the first DC Secret Origins Magazine, which was first published in the 1960s and has been periodically reprinted in the decades following

Source 1: Superman #709
Source 2: DC Secret Origins

Catching Kono?

Presentation counts for a lot.

The following well illustrates how the perception of an observer (in this case Supergirl or the magazine reader) changes as they experience accelerations approaching light speed.

Source: Legion of Super-Heroes #17, Volume 5*

*The Legion magazine was temporarily re-named Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes for the period of Kara Zor-el's visit to the future

I'm finding myself without the discipline to finish collating all these showings at this exact moment.

It's early in the day; 3:45 AM as I text this, actually, so I'm not worried about regaining discipline come sensible hours.

In the meantime, I'm searching for a reason not to include fan bonuses in here, and not really finding any, and in addition can't sleep, so ...