Originally posted by cdtm
It seems inconsistent though.I remember he couldn'f control adamantium, until he could. Mjolnir also absorbed his shield, yet other times couldn't dent it...
But there should be "some" sort of internal logic at work. I mean, he can't just control plastics, or shouldn't.
Far as I know, durasteel uses some weird alien ore in it.
He never had trouble with adamantium.
And iron is hardly the only ferromagnetic, for fuck's sake.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He never had trouble with adamantium.And iron is hardly the only ferromagnetic, for fuck's sake.
Back in the day, it used to be he couldn't affect adamantium because it wasn't iron based. Or that was the explanation in the comics/letter collumn/source book/whereever I got that from.
Might have been around the same time Wolverine's claws were said to have replaceable parts on the back of trading cards.
But yeah, iron isn't the only ferrous metal (All ferrous metal "does" contain iron), I'm just saying there's a ton of stuff he shouldn't control. Like wood.
Unless you listen to the science nerds who cry "unified field!", or worse "Higgs field?"
Originally posted by cdtm
Back in the day, it used to be he couldn't affect adamantium because it wasn't iron based. Or that was the explanation in the comics/letter collumn/source book/whereever I got that from.Might have been around the same time Wolverine's claws were said to have replaceable parts on the back of trading cards.
Magnus controlled Wolverine's claws the first time they met... I think you're making shit up, cdtm.
Originally posted by cdtm
But yeah, iron isn't the only ferometal, I'm just saying there's a ton of stuff he shouldn't control. Like wood.
Sure, but at his high levels, he can effectively emulate telekinesis or better...
Anyway, it's Vader who needs a feat that durasteel (and other materials included in his suit and bionics) is impervious to magnetism.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Magnus controlled Wolverine's claws the first time they met... I think you're making shit up, cdtm.Sure, but at his high levels, he can effectively emulate telekinesis or better...
Anyway, it's Vader who needs a feat that durasteel (and other materials included in his suit and bionics) is impervious to magnetism.
Isn't it supposed to be proven the other direction?
I can't really prove durasteel isn't ferrous, but we're also not going to assume Magnus affects every alien metal out there, are we?
Because I want to see Magneto rip up Galactus's purple metal looking suit then. 🙂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI live for the moment when I can prove people wrong.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0M3DXqur-Y
Terrible as the movie is, it makes a point of noting that Anakin (as a child) is stronger in the force than Yoda.
Yoda was incapable of definitively beating Dooku.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLV-Vpy1gqQ
Same Dooku that a serious Anakin pushed to his limits.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQATBFIZ13o
At 1:17, Anakin states that his powers have more than doubled since the last time they met (which was only about a month ago). Anakin clearly isn't lying since he easily dispatches Dooku at 2:23 when he gets serious.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eYT3ctPuVRw
Anakin ragdolls two force gods who's very presence can alter the fabric of reality. Amongst other things, their presence altered weather, they could see into the future, let others see into the future, control life and death, absorb highly lethal amounts of energy without a problem, manipulate time, manipulate gravity, manipulate space, etc.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=groYO_51bwY
When I say that Vader is more powerful than Yoda, it's not just a statement, it's a fact. Just so we're clear, Vader is more powerful than the guy that did this.
Originally posted by Galan007
For more of a sense of scale, here is the creature Yoda fought in its entirety -- when they call it a mountain, they are being quite literal:
"One Jedi alone against a living mountain... I almost feel sorry for the mountain." g007_teehee
Nothing that I already wasn't aware of. Still don't see Vader as superior to Yoda.
Originally posted by deathslash
Anakin states that his powers have more than doubled
Careful with quotes. "My powers have doubled", not "more than doubled".
Midichlorians aren't everything.
ABC logic, huh? Same Obi-Wan that Dooku f*cking stomped in RotS has beaten Ani... and Obi-Wan wasn't on Yoda's level, as stated in the film.
Yeah, those ridiculous force gods... Ani specifically used the planet's power after Kenobi instructed him to do so, didn't he? Plot device.
Sure he was. I've seen the fight enough times where even my dying brain cells remember the flow.
There were times when Anakin was outright overpowering Obi Wan with one hand. When they did the force push thing, Anakin recovered faster then Obi Wan.. And on the final showdown before the "higher ground", Anakin was cocky and confident, while Obi Wan was struggling to keep up.
If that wasn't true, Obi Wan wouldn't need the higher ground trick. All one foot of it... And it was Anakin pushing forward, Obi Wan stepping back for most of the fight.
Even on equal ground, leaping over Obi Wan's head like an idiot probably would have had the same result.
Originally posted by cdtm
Sure he was. I've seen the fight enough times where even my dying brain cells remember the flow.There were times when Anakin was outright overpowering Obi Wan with one hand.
His bionic hand, you mean. Yes, there was such a scene. He had an upper hand (no pun intended) there for a moment, sure. Did it end the fight? No, far from it.
Originally posted by cdtm
When they did the force push thing, Anakin recovered faster then Obi Wan..
Think you see what you want to see, tbh...
Originally posted by cdtm
And on the final showdown before the "higher ground", Anakin was cocky and confident, while Obi Wan was struggling to keep up.
Um, no? Kenobi was focused and giving Ani a chance to surrender, Anakin was a jittery kid that got crippled for refusing to listen.
Originally posted by cdtm
If that wasn't true, Obi Wan wouldn't need the higher ground trick. All one foot of it...Even on equal ground, leaping over Obi Wan's head like an idiot probably would have had the same result.
So much power in the "Chosen One" that he couldn't even jump a little higher. Wow. I'm impressed. Easily Yoda-busting lv 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWno offense, but it doesn't matter what you think. Sidious himself considered Vader to be a threat (immediately after he got the lava dip too).
Nothing that I already wasn't aware of. Still don't see Vader as superior to Yoda.Careful with quotes. "My powers have doubled", not "more than doubled".
Midichlorians aren't everything.
ABC logic, huh? Same Obi-Wan that Dooku f*cking stomped in RotS has beaten Ani... and Obi-Wan wasn't on Yoda's level, as stated in the film.
Yeah, those ridiculous force gods... Ani specifically used the planet's power after Kenobi instructed him to do so, didn't he? Plot device.
As per the statement of Nick Gillard, Kenobi is a single tier underneath Anakin. Not only that, but Anakin only lost because of his hubris and because he was emotionally imbalanced. Few more things to note though:
1. I do consider it funny how you judge Anakin based off of losing to the greatest master of Soresu ever.
2. Kenobi lost to Dooku as badly as he did because Dooku's form was naturally superior to Kenobi's (giving him an unfair advantage).
3. Vader is outright said to have grown even more in power after the lava dip.
"Vader completed his meditation and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."
-- Lords Of The Sith
4. Kenobi grew in skill and power after RotS (as clearly shown when he beat maul).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtv7PYEjZPc
He tapped into the Force to take them down. Not unheard of for Force users and especially not unheard of for the chosen one. Kind of like how Yoda tapped into the force to lift the mountain.
Originally posted by leonidasThe force choke isn't exactly normal tk Leo, it's more spiritual than psionic. It's more the force of life itself, than mental control of subatomic particles. It's more really the universe bending to the will of the Force user.
yeah, that was what i was gonna say. even assuming for the moment that the tk choke could affect mags through his shields (not a given imo, at all, after all we've SEEN him deal with tk users many times, and while some can grab his shield and throw him AND the shield around, i don't recall any tk ever affecting him directly through his shield) vader's armor would get crushed almost instantly. starting distance is not an issue for mags either. we've also seen that mag's speed is pretty uber. i'd give him the solid majority here. it would def end without either of them ever taking so much as a single step.
