Hela vs. Voldemort

Originally posted by Placidity
Well to be fair, you can "throw" water on a regular person and it wouldn't hurt...

"goddess of death" is just a name - unlike Thor, she doesn't display any powers embodying death, decay, corruption etc. Aside from the comics/Norse mythology reference, her name probably comes from her enjoyment/adeptness at killing people (Odin's "executioner"😉.

I see no reason why AK wouldn't affect Hela *unless* her level of sorcery is higher than that of the HP-verse.

If one really wanted to make an argument, then we should all be reminded that the writers decided to get cute in the first movie, where Thor states magic does not exist, and it is only "science" not yet understood (or something along those lines).

Well I must admit that the image in my head when I said that was from Justice League Unlimited:

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I was under the impression that she used her powers to revive and control the dead Soldiers of Asgard after she returned and wiped out the Warrios Three and the rest of the asgardian Army, or have I misunderstood?

I would argue that the Marvel Universes approach to magic as per Doctor Strange has changed to it being a force of mysticisme rather then technology. Unless we make a clear distinction between Asgardian "magic" and "human" magic.

Well, based on how Kevin Feige has described it in a few interviews, "magic" in the MCU is the manipulation of energies drawn from other dimensions. For example, in one interview, he mentions how Scarlet Witch's powers work off the same basic principles as MCU Earth Sorcerers. But it comes across differently due to the manner in which they draw and use the energy.

“Her powers, she’s never had any training, I’m talking about Scarlet Witch. She never had any training; she’s figuring it out. Arguably, you could say that that’s why her powers are much more chaotic and much more loose in the way that we showcased those light effects. In [Doctor Strange], some of what you might see today, even the cover of Entertainment Weekly, it’s much tighter. It’s all about focus. It’s all about pulling energies from other dimensions in an organized and purposeful fashion, which is why they can do a lot more than she can in, at least, a much more precise way.”

And similar things have been said about other "magical" characters, even the likes of Ghost Rider. How "Hell" is simply another dimension from which "magical" energy can be drawn. The last season of Agents of Shield actually went into some detail about it, with the whole Darkhold plotline.

So, it could be interpreted as either mystical or scientific, depending on the level of understanding various individuals have of these energies. Which completely fits into what Thor said previously about it.

I mean even in Dr Strange itself, the Ancient One tells Strange that he doesn't need to think of what they do as "spells" if he doesn't want to, but rather a "program" or "source code" they use to achieve their effects. So, it really comes down to perspective and choice of terminology.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I was under the impression that she used her powers to revive and control the dead Soldiers of Asgard after she returned and wiped out the Warrios Three and the rest of the asgardian Army, or have I misunderstood?

I believe she partially did that, she had to use the Eternal Flame to resurrect them. But to resurrect them as undead (I think Fenris Wolf appeared rather normal/alive?) seems to be her doing, although we can't be sure. It has been used twice - once on the forementioned fallen Asgardians, and once on Surtur. The key detail is Surtur was resurrected as his former self, and not "zombie-like". However the other key detail is that the flame itself is from Surtur, so that might explain the difference in effect.

Aside from this arguable feat, as formidable and evil-green coloured as she is, she doesn't even begin to earn the title goddess of death.

This leads me to think of a maybe interesting fight. Who would win - Hela, or...

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, based on how Kevin Feige has described it in a few interviews, "magic" in the MCU is the manipulation of energies drawn from other dimensions. For example, in one interview, he mentions how Scarlet Witch's powers work off the same basic principles as MCU Earth Sorcerers. But it comes across differently due to the manner in which they draw and use the energy.

And similar things have been said about other "magical" characters, even the likes of Ghost Rider. How "Hell" is simply another dimension from which "magical" energy can be drawn. The last season of Agents of Shield actually went into some detail about it, with the whole Darkhold plotline.

So, it could be interpreted as either mystical or scientific, depending on the level of understanding various individuals have of these energies. Which completely fits into what Thor said previously about it.

Interesting points, but I don't actually believe magic doesn't exist in MCU. Was just throwing something into the mix.

I do dislike the idea of Thor's world just being "hi-tech".

Originally posted by Placidity
I believe she partially did that, she had to use the Eternal Flame to resurrect them. But to resurrect them as undead (I think Fenris Wolf appeared rather normal/alive?) seems to be her doing, although we can't be sure. It has been used twice - once on the forementioned fallen Asgardians, and once on Surtur. The key detail is Surtur was resurrected as his former self, and not "zombie-like". However the other key detail is that the flame itself is from Surtur, so that might explain the difference in effect.

Aside from this arguable feat, as formidable and evil-green coloured as she is, she doesn't even begin to earn the title goddess of death.

This leads me to think of a maybe interesting fight. Who would win - Hela, or...

True, I need to rewatch it but still a strange difference. It could boil down to Fenris and Surtur being another kind of beings then the soldiers, but the most likely explanation imo is that it's a oversight in order to get good effects in the movie.

I agree that her showings of power is hardly comparible to the power of Hades, I think she would get stomped in a battle with him. Especially if he was at full power.

Originally posted by Placidity
Interesting points, but I don't actually believe magic doesn't exist in MCU. Was just throwing something into the mix.

I do dislike the idea of Thor's world just being "hi-tech".

As Thor said, it's a mix. The Bifrost clearly has some level of Technology behind it, but I would argue that it also uses magic in order to function.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, based on how Kevin Feige has described it in a few interviews, "magic" in the MCU is the manipulation of energies drawn from other dimensions. For example, in one interview, he mentions how Scarlet Witch's powers work off the same basic principles as MCU Earth Sorcerers. But it comes across differently due to the manner in which they draw and use the energy.

And similar things have been said about other "magical" characters, even the likes of Ghost Rider. How "Hell" is simply another dimension from which "magical" energy can be drawn. The last season of Agents of Shield actually went into some detail about it, with the whole Darkhold plotline.

So, it could be interpreted as either mystical or scientific, depending on the level of understanding various individuals have of these energies. Which completely fits into what Thor said previously about it.

Interesting. I hadn't seen that describtion before.

Nice find 👆

lol I notice Quan has yet to comment; can't bring himself to put the L down on his boy voldemort 😂

Originally posted by relentless1
lol I notice Quan has yet to comment; can't bring himself to put the L down on his boy voldemort 😂

But yeah, so far all people claim Hela is the clear winner. Voldemort might be powerless here.

When VOldemort comes up with a spell that can stop 1,000 swords flying at him all at once, let us know lol.

Originally posted by Stigma

But yeah, so far all people claim Hela is the clear winner.

I'm a person too Stigma. FeelsBadMan...

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm a person too Stigma. FeelsBadMan...

Originally posted by steverules_2
Where's Quan? Did Rob finally kill him?

He is also missing from the Hulk v Hela thread.

His absence here reveals something interesting.

As of this moment, the top 10 threads almost all feature Hela or Voldemort in which he is rabidly active. Yet not the ones which pit his idols against each other.

A normal person would enjoy debating a fight between two of his favourite characters.

But someone who has an irrational, almost pathological obsession or idolatry with fictional characters would avoid having to even entertain the thought of one of these characters losing.

Originally posted by Placidity
He is also missing from the Hulk v Hela thread.

His absence here reveals something interesting.

As of this moment, the top 10 threads almost all feature Hela or Voldemort in which he is rabidly active. Yet not the ones which pit his idols against each other.

A normal person would enjoy debating a fight between two of his favourite characters.

But someone who has an irrational, almost pathological obsession or idolatry with fictional characters would avoid having to even entertain the thought of one of these characters losing.

Yeah, I think by now good points were made in support of Hela defeating Voldemort rather easily.