Kanan isn’t ragdolling shit, LMFAO. You can argue a power edge but claiming it’s so gargantuan to warrant a ragdoll is absurd.
Kanan also doesn’t have anything to prove he’s more skilled, really. His best combative feat is still beating the Grand Inquisitor, as far as I’m concerned, and I don’t think many people were seriously claiming Kanan was better than Ahsoka as of Season 1 of Rebels. Kanan still hasn’t demonstrated a superior combative aptitude even as of Season 4 compared to Ahsoka, and I doubt that will change.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
'the thing is, I doubt his morals would allow for that.Kanan could win via force power, but would he? Because he's losing a straight up saber duel in all likelihood.
We've never taken morales into account for these fights before. Regardless, I wouldn't say it's likely he loses in a saber duel. He defeated the GI, someone confirmed to be more powerful then himself, after having been tortured extensively. The GI was placed above your standard Jedi by Sidious nearly a decade before that point and was given access to knowledge only available to the Jedi Council not long after. By Rebels, the GI was skilled enough in lightsaber combat to recognize the form a lightsaber combatant employed and even the master who taught them.
I.E. Kanan defeated an extremely skilled opponent who held a power advantage over him after having been tortured extensively. I'd say that's about as good as contending with mid Clone Wars Grievous.
@Joker: It was a bit of an exaggeration, I'll grant you that. 😛 Though I do have him solidly above her in regards to Force power.
I'd disagree tbh. Aside from the GI being confirmed to be above the standard Jedi Knight around a decade prior to Rebels in the latest comics and being given access to knowledge that only the Jedi Council ( and Jocasta Nu of course ) had access to previously ( something which confirms his ability to grow as an overall combatant which some had previously argued Sidious would have attempted to curb ), I also realized that Kanan's duel with the GI occurred directly after he had undergone extensive torture.
Another interesting thing to note is that it's been confirmed Vader was trying to kill Kanan and Ezra.
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And yes, I know what your response will be.
"The quote you posted even says Kanan was no match for Vader!"
Well, duh. That's not the point. The quotes confirm Vader was trying to "destroy/finish off" Kanan and Ezra which means Kanan managed to last a decent length of time against a serious Vader in a lightsaber bout. About the same length of time as Ahsoka lasted against Grievous. Vader is confirmed to be above Anakin in Canon who we know to be above Dooku who we know to be above Grievous.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
By Rebels, the GI was skilled enough in lightsaber combat to recognize the form a lightsaber combatant employed and even the master who taught them.
Why is this impressive exactly? Any trained Jedi should be able to recognize the forms, probably not the Master but I don't see why that should be relevant for combat.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why is this impressive exactly? Any trained Jedi should be able to recognize the forms, probably not the Master but I don't see why that should be relevant for combat.
Not really, every Jedi still employs certain fightings forms differently. The GI's immense knowledge allows him to fully know what to expect from a certain opponent (in this case Kanan). That's a pretty big advantage to have.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Not really, every Jedi still employs certain fightings forms differently. The GI's immense knowledge allows him to fully know what to expect from a certain opponent (in this case Kanan). That's a pretty big advantage to have.
I'm not really seeing it being that much of an advantage frankly. Unless the Jedi in Canon training isn't all that great to where they can't even identify lightsaber forms.
@Joker: Power wise Kanan's far away Ahsoka's superior. The magnitude of his feats as of season 1 are above Ahsoka's, from moving giant asteroids to opening huge hangar doors and that's before growing over the course of 3 seasons. So yeah, he can ragdoll if he's pushed far enough.
Again, yes he defeated the GI in SEASON 1, before growing massively over the course of 3 seasons. I don't know why you completely neglect that every time. Kanan even as of season 2 has survived an encounter with Vader and defeated every Inquisitor (or at least looked superior) to every Inquisitor he's faced. The very same Inquisitors could last from 50 seconds to 2 minutes against Ahsoka's Rebels incarnation (someone - and I think you can definitely agree on this - is solidly superior to TCW Grievous or Barriss).
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaWe aren't really sure how powerful a standard Jedi Knight even is, but I doubt one would be very impressive by our standards. And I've always thought the Inquisitors being above a standard Knight was a given, so the fact its been confirmed doesn't change anything for me, really.
I'd disagree tbh. Aside from the GI being confirmed to be above the standard Jedi Knight around a decade prior to Rebels in the latest comics and being given access to knowledge that only the Jedi Council ( and Jocasta Nu of course ) had access to previously ( something which confirms his ability to grow as an overall combatant which some had previously argued Sidious would have attempted to curb ), I also realized that Kanan's duel with the GI occurred directly after he had undergone extensive torture.
The Grand Inquisitor gaining knowledge from the archives undoubtedly would have made him a more potent adversary since he could easily identify lightsaber forms, but I think the Grand Inquisitor's ability on that front only suggests an impressive academic knowledge that he was able to exploit against less experienced foes. This idea is backed up by Ultimate Star Wars which outright states that the Grand Inquisitor's fighting skills aren't as good as his analytic skills: In relying on such a mechanical lightsaber model, the Inquisitor betrays his one weakness: his fighting skills are not as potent as his analytical skills. Now, obviously, the Grand Inquisitor did exploit this edge against Kanan early on, but I think the novelty of the Grand Inquisitor's technical knowledge wore off as Kanan became more accustomed to fighting him. It's impressive for Kanan, sure, but I feel like Kanan only won that engagement because of a temporary boost brought on by Ezra's perceived death. And I know what you're thinking when I claim that Kanan was boosted—but I believe Freddie Prinze, Jr. literally said that Kanan was in an extremely focused state of mind reminiscent of, and alluded to a Bruce Lee quote regarding flowing like water or something along those lines.
If you're going to resist the "amp" argument (which I'm not a fan of making, either, by the way) there's still the fact that Kanan struggled with the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother after defeating the Grand Inquisitor, which seems pretty contradictory if you want to argue that Kanan's victory against the Grand Inquisitor is a showing that Kanan could replicate any time.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNovaVader trying to kill Kanan and Ezra =/= Vader going all out. It's abundantly clear during the fight that Vader was operating quite casually. You're scaling doesn't work.
Another interesting thing to note is that it's been confirmed Vader was trying to kill Kanan and Ezra.https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11129/111293023/5950731-jedi+vs+vader+1.png
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11129/111293023/5950732-jedi+vs+vader+3.png
And yes, I know what your response will be.
"The quote you posted even says Kanan was no match for Vader!"
Well, duh. That's not the point. The quotes confirm Vader was trying to "destroy/finish off" Kanan and Ezra which means Kanan managed to last a decent length of time against a serious Vader in a lightsaber bout. About the same length of time as Ahsoka lasted against Grievous. Vader is confirmed to be above Anakin in Canon who we know to be above Dooku who we know to be above Grievous.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not really seeing it being that much of an advantage frankly. Unless the Jedi in Canon training isn't all that great to where they can't even identify lightsaber forms.
There's a difference between recognizing lightsaber forms and exactly know what move your opponent is going to use next.
