Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
It can also be a combination of things, for instance, imagine the person has no job, is disabled has a drug and alcohol problem and has been cheated on... They lose the plot when their dealer doesn't bring them dope to calm them in time and stab him up due to paranoia caused by overuse of skunk. Poor sod has issues man!
that could be argued as temporary insanity in the states. same as when a guy finds his gf with another man, and they're doing more than just kissing. it has to be proven that this person had no control of their impulses due to extreme stress. but how can you really prove that? it's really all down to what the jury/experts believe.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
as long as you don't feel that set terms should be enforced on mental patients (being sentenced to 15 years at a hospital, for example), we probably do agree.
Can judges be that specific?
I know they can order treatment, and meds taken. They have a lot of power, frankly (Maybe too much..)
But yeah, I'm with you that there shouldn't be a "specific period for treatment" ruling. Leave that to the experts (As low as I hold much of the mental health industry, I sure don't want laymen deciding what constitutes treatment.)
Also completely in agreement on the nature of prisons. It's almost a joke at this point to pretend there's anything postive associated with imprisonment, what with the numerous jokes about abuses, victimizations, incompetence, people dying from withheld meds and such..
Prison is where you put people you want to suffer, but don't want to live with having had a hand in directy killing (Indirectly, if some skinhead or gang bangers shanks them, it's not your concern or responsibility.. is how I imagine the rationalization goes.)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that could be argued as temporary insanity in the states. same as when a guy finds his gf with another man, and they're doing more than just kissing. it has to be proven that this person had no control of their impulses due to extreme stress. but how can you really prove that? it's really all down to what the jury/experts believe.
Exactly, when it goes beyond a kiss, anything can happen!
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Just adding more proof ... [/B]
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Looks like you also suffer from a from of Turrets Syndrome as well. [/B]
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Welcome to the Straight Jackets and Padded Cells Brigade. [/B]
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]*Signs of Diminished Responsibility...Extremely Limited ability as useful and cohesive dialogue*CHECK!
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"ITS A TRAP!" *immediately falls into trap and thrashes about*
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
It can also be a combination of things, for instance, imagine the person has no job, is disabled has a drug and alcohol problem and has been cheated on... They lose the plot when their dealer doesn't bring them dope to calm them in time and stab him up due to paranoia caused by overuse of skunk. Poor sod has issues man!
Or imagine someone who is abusing alcohol while taking psychiatric medications, and then trespasses with the intent to harm a minor. Is alcohol abuse a mitigating factor that diminishes his responsibility for his actions?
In my experience, no one does anything drunk that he would not do sober if he thought there would be no consequences. Alcohol simply lowers his inhibitions, so he cares less about being judged, per the Latin idiom, "In wine, truth," or the English equivalent, "What soberness conceals, drunkenness reveals."
Should such a person be able to blame his actions on alcohol, or is alcohol merely revealing his true character? Is "I would not have tried to touch those kids if I was not drunk," a legitimate defense?
i think it would only apply if the liquor and drugs were forced-fed to this hypothetical person who's totally hypothetical. if they made the decision to impair themselves, then there really is no excuse. if it's no defense for a drunk/drugged driver, i cannot see how it would be a reasonable defense for intending to do harm on children.