Mass Shootings in America Thread

Originally posted by Robtard
It's obvious you're just going to continue ignoring the points I'm saying because you can't address and counter them with logic and reason. Rather silly, imo.

Surely this can't be hard to answer: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

Guns are already registered, so it's on you to prove why we need Law X to solve this huge problem and in order to prove it's a huge problem becauee of some hole in the system, and you have to back it up with data.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I don’t see a reason for it to be “bad” per se. But I do think that it won’t address the problem of mass shooters. Aren’t mass shooters by their nature very public and not really trying to hide who they are?

If we were in a thread that discussed the issue of gun crimes, tho, gun registration would be a viable idea.

Thank you for actually trying to address. This isn't just about "mass shooters" or "stopping all gun crime" though. Neither would be stopped 100% with gun registration, but the "it won't stop all crimes!" is a fool's distraction.

This thread has served the purpose of that too.

Since when did we come up with new laws not based on information, especially a law that is tied to a constitutional right?

Originally posted by Blindside12
Guns are already registered, so it's on you to prove why we need Law X to solve this huge problem and in order to prove it's a huge problem becauee of some hole in the system, and you have to back it up with data.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's another red herring. Not all guns are registered and the point is about registering guns, Blind. Stop trolling.

To anyone else: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

Originally posted by Blindside12
Since when did we come up with new laws not based on information, especially a law that is tied to a constitutional right?

Registering guns won't do anything to stop crimes and is of no real use in solving crimes as only a tiny fraction of guns crimes are committed with legal weapons. and though I couldn't find any numbers, I'm willing to bet that only in a tiny fraction of those crimes are legal guns left at the crime scene.

So try again, because as of yet no valid reason for a gun registry has been given.

Maybe after this we should make people put up signs in front of their houses stating who has guns in their houses and who doesn't.

Or make Gays who have aids wear signs on themselves just to let their possible sexual partners know before hand?

Originally posted by Robtard
Thank you for actually trying to address. This isn't just about "mass shooters" or "stopping all gun crime" though. Neither would be stopped 100% with gun registration, but the "it won't stop all crimes!" is a fool's distraction.

This thread has served the purpose of that too.

Well, I feel that gun registration wouldn’t stop any of them at all. Or if it did, it would be more of a detterent than anything (shooter would not use own gun for fear of it being traced back to him/her), and that would only count for poorly planned shootings/crimes where an illegal gun cannot be acquired and for instances where the shooter cares about not being caught (mass shooters tend to be suicidal or don’t care about being caught).

Gun registration is more of an after-the-fact measure that would help bring shooters to justice given certain conditions are met (shooter used own registered gun and gun is found).

Overall, it is not that the idea is “bad” (like I said). It’s just that it might be quite ineffectual in addressing the hot issue that has a strong amount of public support. Passing a very strong mandatory registration law would expend a ton of “political capital” (as the resistance would be quite strong on the opposite side) and may end up not really achieving much as many (not all) guns already get registered (I think buying guns off gun shows and personal sales bypass this, right? Not as familiar with gun registration as I don’t own a gun myself). From a cost-benefit standpoint, this might not be the best way to go.

I'd like to see the numbers for how many crimes are committed with legally obtained firearms, where those firearms are then found before the police know who committed the crimes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, what I'm saying is self evident. eg If a car is stolen and used in a crime, the police have a starting point because it's registered. /logic /reason

Surely this can't be hard to answer: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

Lol I already replied and you didn't wanna hear it, doubt you even looked at the article...you're as dense as Quan

I'll repeat my point since you seem to have comprehension problems...MOST guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, second there are many more guns in America then Canada, you can just go buy one illegally that's not registered.

If someone commits a crime with a stolen gun how will the cops track him ya dunce. If it didn't work in Canada why would it work here...Canada, Australia, U.K. Have all confiscated guns the crime did NOT go down.

Tard, make a point or be quiet, asking you to prove your point isn't a red herring.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, I feel that gun registration wouldn’t stop any of them at all. Or if it did, it would be more of a detterent than anything (shooter would not use own gun for fear of it being traced back to him/her), and that would only count for poorly planned shootings/crimes where an illegal gun cannot be acquired and for instances where the shooter cares about not being caught (mass shooters tend to be suicidal or don’t care about being caught).

Gun registration is more of an after-the-fact measure that would help bring shooters to justice given certain conditions are met (shooter used own registered gun and gun is found).

Overall, it is not that the idea is “bad” (like I said). It’s just that it might be quite ineffectual in addressing the hot issue that has a strong amount of public support. Passing a very strong mandatory registration law would expend a ton of “political capital” (as the resistance would be quite strong on the opposite side) and may end up not really achieving much as many (not all) guns already get registered (I think buying guns off gun shows and personal sales bypass this, right? Not as familiar with gun registration as I don’t own a gun myself). From a cost-benefit standpoint, this might not be the best way to go.

Once again thank you for actually responding with logic and reason, instead of logical fallacies, distractions and rants like the others here have done for pages. Rather shameful, imo. Anywho.

But it might stop some, there's a possibility.

Overall agreed, it would serve more as a justice deliverer than deterrent, but see above.

No one said this has to be the only change in gun reform laws, it could also work in concert with others potentially. I don't see it as being hard to do, both in 'political capital' and logistics of carrying it out. We register cars; that's a fairly easy and painless process and that's done on a yearly basis. Sure the NRA will cry "but muh 2nd!!!1!", but they always do and they have no real legal ground to stand on here against federally mandated gun registration.

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Lol I already replied and you didn't wanna hear it, doubt you even looked at the article...you're as dense as Quan

I'll repeat my point since you seem to have comprehension problems...MOST guns used in crimes are obtained illegally, second there are many more guns in America then Canada, you can just go buy one illegally that's not registered.

If someone commits a crime with a stolen gun how will the cops track him ya dunce. If it didn't work in Canada why would it work here...Canada, Australia, U.K. Have all confiscated guns the crime did NOT go down.

Tard, make a point or be quiet, asking you to prove your point isn't a red herring.

I replied to your point and crushed it already; you didn't like it and this is why you're angry right now.

Repeat: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

Yeah I mean it stops so many shootings in California, Chicago, etc 😆

Originally posted by Silent Master
Registering guns won't do anything to stop crimes and is of no real use in solving crimes as only a tiny fraction of guns crimes are committed with legal weapons. and though I couldn't find any numbers, I'm willing to bet that only in a tiny fraction of those crimes are legal guns left at the crime scene.

So try again, because as of yet no valid reason for a gun registry has been given.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'd like to see the numbers for how many crimes are committed with legally obtained firearms, where those firearms are then found before the police know who committed the crimes.

Id like to see that as well, so far he hasnt provided any.

So far the counter argument from you four clowns seems to be "but muh gun rights!"? Those rights have absolutely nothing to do with gun registration. It's why you can't counter a single thing nor sell me on your point with logic and reason.

Repeat: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

I never said that. You produced nothing to counter, you just came up retard logic and wanted us to figure it out. You probbably feel like you are the Alamo right now, you know you are going to lose this one, but dont care.

You haven't sold us on it being a valid and logical reason though. that would require you posting the numbers to justify it.

Originally posted by Blindside12
I never said that. You produced nothing to counter, you just came up retard logic and wanted us to figure it out. You probbably feel like you are the Alamo right now, you know you are going to lose this one, but dont care.

It was a question, cos all you've done is do logical fallacies, deflections and rant about 'something something my constitution', but then failed to follow through with that constitution point, as you dropped that quicker than Surt drops job applications.

Repeat: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go

Robtard, seems your question is easy to answer:

It's a waste of money. We should funnel the money from the overhauled gun management system into something that will stop more violent crimes, right? Your underlying objective is to reduce violent crime. Some people like to argue, "Why not both?" Because we already have massive spending issues and it is never an option of "why not both" it's "what can we get rid of so we can implement a partial on just one of these ideas?"

Guess what I think would be a far better use of those funds to reduce violent crime? Guess....go ahead... 😄

Originally posted by Blindside12
Do tell me what a "gun registry" would do to stop mass shootings.

Can we get a illegal alien registry as well, since they broke the law?

haermm

This made me laugh. A lot.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You haven't sold us on it being a valid and logical reason though. that would require you posting the numbers to justify it.

HYG:

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, what I'm saying is self evident. eg If a car is stolen and used in a crime, the police have a starting point because it's registered. /logic /reason

Surely this can't be hard to answer: Why is registering guns a bad thing? Sell me on it with logic and reasons. Go