Yikes.
Yikes.
Originally posted by Robtard
Have to agree there, concealed is a better option to open, if it's an either or situation. Some O/C badboy may stupidly react to another O/C badboy and then we have potential bullets flying in public.Where do you go where you feel you need to C/C to defend yourself or others? Edit: I ask, because I've never been in a situation where I felt a gun would have been beneficial
While I live in a fairly decent part of town, there are some places that have a fairly high amount of crime that I sometimes visit due to the businesses located nearby.
By high amount of crime, I mean just yesterday there was a shooting in one of the neighborhoods(close to a Wingstop) and a few months before that a person was shot and killed at a club that was across the street from a Chuck e Cheese.
Originally posted by Silent Master
While I live in a fairly decent part of town, there are some places that have a fairly high amount of crime that I sometimes visit due to the businesses located nearby.By high amount of crime, I mean just yesterday there was a shooting in one of the neighborhoods(close to a Wingstop) and a few months before that a person was shot and killed at a club that was across the street from a Chuck e Cheese.
Fair enough I guess, just seems we have different mindsets.
I've been to parts of San Francisco, Oakland and Richmond where it's more unwise than wise to be in at night. Also parts of Mexico, Italy and Israel where you're better off not hanging around. Never felt "would be better if I had a gun."
Originally posted by dadudemon
We are good. 👆As it always is, we all agree:
Robtard: I want to reduce violent crime.
Silent Master: I want to reduce violent crime.
Blindside/TI: I want to reduce violent crime.
dadudemon: I want to reduce violent crime.
We just disagree on how to address it.
I think Robtard's idea could address somewhere between 1%-5% of US Gun Homicides. This is not an ass-pulled number. It is based on the research they did on Assault Rifles back in the day.
However, that is gun homicides. And we all know how adamant I am about Gun Homicides being a shit measure. It needs to be JUST purely homicides. If implementing a regulatory requirement that costs billions (for all states, together) doesn't reduce homicides but just shifts homicides from guns to other implements, then it's a very stupid dumbass law.
If this new regulatory requirement can reduce homicides by 5% and comes out as financially net-positive program (by putting the fees on the people instead of digging us further into the hole of debt), then it seems like it is one of several good ideas to address the violence in the US.
However, I think the solution will never be found in regulating guns. Regulating guns is only addressing a symptom, never the problems. I will always frown on gun regulations as being the solution to homicides and violence in the US. I will summarily dismiss all of the ideas, however: there could be merit in some ideas.
1-5%, are you sure that's not higher and you're not just fibbing again like a fibber?
But I'll take a 2.5% (avg) drop in gun homicides where I can get it 👆
I'm not overly worried, I wouldn't keep visiting areas like that if I was. I'm just a practical man. it's better to have a gun and never need it, then to need a gun and not have one.
I mean, if a mass shooter showed up at your location. would you rather have a chance to defend yourself, or just hope he doesn't shoot at you?
Originally posted by Robtard
You're trying too hard again, you need to reel it back 30-40%, Kurkyps How many times have you rage-quit KMC, saying you're done and never coming back because you're going to achieve some nonsense or other? Four? Five? or is it up to six now?
Why does he need to quit KMC, I thought not masturbating was supposed to help him achieve all of his goals?
Originally posted by Robtard
1-5%, are you sure that's not higher and you're not just fibbing again like a fibber?But I'll take a 2.5% (avg) drop in gun homicides where I can get it 👆
That figure comes from the post-Assault Rifle ban analysis some researchers did. "But there's no way those two things are related." I disagree. I think they could result is comparable figures. It's a far better guess than just an asspull.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That figure comes from the post-Assault Rifle ban analysis some researchers did. "But there's no way those two things are related." I disagree. I think they could result is comparable figures. It's a far better guess than just an asspull.
Seeing as Rob said that he would take a 2.5% drop in gun homicides, I believe he's confused about what you mean by his idea could address between 1 to 5% of gun homicides.
Originally posted by Silent Master
To answer the question regarding the purpose of carrying a gun in public.Defense.
Then it's a dam shame about those pesky age restrictions to owning a gun...considering it's all about defense.
Kids could then open carry & protect themselves from molesters, kidnappers, bullies & would-be mass shooters.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Thanks for the response but nowhere did you address my one simple question...What is the main purpose of open carrying a gun in public?
What I'm telling you is that I'm not here to defend open carry or justify it lol. I literally do not care. If they want to do away with open carry they can go for it.
What can't ever happen is "dude was staring at us, take his gun!". If all you took out of this story was "well why do we need open carry?" there is a problem.
And your "law abiding citizen", by numerous complaints was acting suspicious. Enough reason for the police to be called & confiscate his weapon.
"Staring at strangers" was what we are told. The fact you can't see how the way they justified this could lead to further abuse is weird.
But don't be outraged because I bet what was left out of the article was the most boring yet logical outcome...he was given a background check, deemed not dangerous & had his gun returned with a simple cautionary advice as well.
I give two shits whether they gave him the gun back with a personal letter of apology and a gift card to Denny's. It shouldn't have been taken in the first place.
Are were supposed to be arguing about why people want to open carry guns?
Well, people often cite Arizona's very liberal gun laws - open carry and conceal carry (without requiring a license) - that went into place in 2010 as the reason violent crime has dropped so sharply since then.
However, for the same exact reasons Australia and Japan cannot be used to demonstrate the efficacy of gun restrictions on homicide rates, Arizona's unrestricted gun laws cannot be used to demonstrate drops in violent crime.
Why?
Because Arizona was already sharply dropping in violent crime before 2010.
Looking over the numbers, it looks like the very relaxed new gun laws did not negatively affect violent crime, either. So it cannot be used as fuel for anti-gun narratives, either.
The largest drop in violent crime, in recent years, in Arizona was 1995 to 2000. No new gun laws were put in place during that period, in Arizona. For no reason at all related to guns...seems violent crime massively dropped.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Are were supposed to be arguing about why people want to open carry guns?Well, people often cite Arizona's very liberal gun laws - open carry and conceal carry (without requiring a license) - that went into place in 2010 as the reason violent crime has dropped so sharply since then.
However, for the same exact reasons Australia and Japan cannot be used to demonstrate the efficacy of gun restrictions on homicide rates, Arizona's unrestricted gun laws cannot be used to demonstrate drops in violent crime.
Why?
Because Arizona was already sharply dropping in violent crime before 2010.
Looking over the numbers, it looks like the very relaxed new gun laws did not negatively affect violent crime, either. So it cannot be used as fuel for anti-gun narratives, either.
The largest drop in violent crime, in recent years, in Arizona was 1995 to 2000. No new gun laws were put in place during that period, in Arizona. For no reason at all related to guns...seems violent crime massively dropped.
Well, I posted a disturbing account of a "red flag" law in Seattle. A man was open carrying(where he had the right to do so, wasn't doing it illegally). He was also "staring at strangers through a window". This, combined with him open carrying in a place where it was allowed, got his gun taken away.
The response was "well, why do you need open carry?" even though it wasn't a defense of open carry lol.
Then it was "well, he probably got his gun back" lol. In other words: the point of the article was utterly missed.
Oh and btw, I agree with Steven Crowder. F*ck whining over gun crime. My concern is violent crime. Could be with a gun, could be with a knife. Could be with a wacky waving inflatable arm flaling tube man.
We have more gun deaths than the UK, but apparently they have more violent crime overall. IF that is true, kinda feels like any smug European talking about their lack of gun deaths needs to kinda shut their mouth lol.
Australia sure as hell best not have seen an increase in violent crime after what they did with guns, or they're off to sit at the little kids table for dinner from now on.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Are were supposed to be arguing about why people want to open carry guns?Well, people often cite Arizona's very liberal gun laws - open carry and conceal carry (without requiring a license) - that went into place in 2010 as the reason violent crime has dropped so sharply since then.
However, for the same exact reasons Australia and Japan cannot be used to demonstrate the efficacy of gun restrictions on homicide rates, Arizona's unrestricted gun laws cannot be used to demonstrate drops in violent crime.
Why?
Because Arizona was already sharply dropping in violent crime before 2010.
Looking over the numbers, it looks like the very relaxed new gun laws did not negatively affect violent crime, either. So it cannot be used as fuel for anti-gun narratives, either.
The largest drop in violent crime, in recent years, in Arizona was 1995 to 2000. No new gun laws were put in place during that period, in Arizona. For no reason at all related to guns...seems violent crime massively dropped.
Economic growth of the US during that period? More wealth; rising SoL could mean less crime.