Superman vs. Avengers

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman speed-blitzes em all like he did with the Flash, except none of he Avengers have the Flash's speed (or similar) so they're all statues by comparison and they get smashed up. /thread /supportedbyscreenfeats

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Do the Avengers have kryptonite, years of prep time and a hesitant Superman? No? OK.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman is always hesistant to kill, are vastly more powerful than Batman and his speed so they can hit him as well. Thor lays the hammer on his chest. The rest proceed to mock him and bang his **** wife.

Didn't help Steppenwolf, did it? Whether Superman is more powerful at the end of Justice League or just more willing to use his powers, we presumably are using his most impressive version.

You are not properly taking into account just how big of a speed difference we have here - it's literally the equivalent of you fighting a copy of yourself who's moving a thousand times slower. Well, actually it's probably more one-sided than that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't even blitz the Flash out of the gate nor did he defeat the JL who CLEARLY DID NOT BRING HIM BACK TO FIGHT HIM before they could attack him with charges, lassos, or headbutts. Fanboys dissect one feat from the entire fight and make that the entire basis for all fights while ignoring the rest. Bias.

Superman fighting in super-speed is seen on screen, it's what he can do and more importantly is what HE DID DO. No amount of you trying to change what was seen on screen will change that. The Avengers are like statues to him, once he starts fighting in SS.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman fighting in super-speed is seen on screen, it's what he can do and more importantly is what HE DID DO. No amount of you trying to change what was seen on screen will change that. The Avengers are like statues to him, once he starts fighting in SS.

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Superman has super speed that matches the Flash. No amount of twisting and turning of words, feats, or scenes can negate this fact.

Superman speed blitzes the Avengers and wins.

Based on scene feats.

/thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't even blitz the Flash out of the gate nor did he defeat the JL who CLEARLY DID NOT BRING HIM BACK TO FIGHT HIM before they could attack him with charges, lassos, or headbutts. Fanboys dissect one feat from the entire fight and make that the entire basis for all fights while ignoring the rest. Bias.

His initial instinct wasn't to attack the JL, the fight gradually escalated as both sides traded blows in confusion. When Superman was actually serious and not severely disoriented vs. Steppenwolf, he utterly dominates him without any difficulty.

You're using him in earlier films (where he's debatably weaker, either in power or resolve), times when he was disoriented and confused fighting former allies, times when he had just been stabbed with kryptonite, and anything but his showing against the main villain.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Didn't help Steppenwolf, did it? Whether Superman is more powerful at the end of Justice League or just more willing to use his powers, we presumably are using his most impressive version.

You are not properly taking into account just how big of a speed difference we have here - it's literally the equivalent of you fighting a copy of yourself who's moving a thousand times slower. Well, actually it's probably more one-sided than that.

He had the speed advantage but has still been successfully struck by far slower characters. Acting like he doesn't and only focusing on one part of an entire fight is cherry picking due to bias.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman fighting in super-speed is seen on screen, it's what he can do and more importantly is what HE DID DO. No amount of you trying to change what was seen on screen will change that. The Avengers are like statues to him, once he starts fighting in SS.

Thor lays his hammer on his chest instead of head butting him.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
His initial instinct wasn't to attack the JL, the fight gradually escalated as both sides traded blows in confusion. When Superman was actually serious and not severely disoriented vs. Steppenwolf, he utterly dominates him without any difficulty.

You're using him in earlier films (where he's debatably weaker, either in power or resolve), times when he was disoriented and confused fighting former allies, times when he had just been stabbed with kryptonite, and anything but his showing against the main villain.

Steppenwolf was being hurt by the Jl and wasn't just fighting Superman. Superman did less damage to Steppenwolf than the parademons did.

I am using all his showings. You clearly aren't. You also want to just focus on the speed blitzes not the time in between or the totality of the entire fight outside of it. He was still hit after using his speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman didn't defeat the JL. Despite his speed advantage he didn't even really hurt any of them save Batman. He was still hit by WW right after he used his speed to stop her. She took his attack and responded in kind. She wasn't all out and was begging him to stop.

Thor lays his hammer on his chest instead of head butting him.

So? He can and did fight in super-speed; we literally see him do it. Period.

Now Superman is going to lay down and let Thor put the hammer on his chest? Weird, but your dictated scenarios don't count, feats do. Superman wins.

LOL @ calling screen feats that trump other arguments “biased”.

Originally posted by Robtard
So? He can and did fight in super-speed; we literally see him do it. Period.

Now Superman is going to lay down and let Thor put the hammer on his chest? Weird, but your dictated scenarios don't count, feats do. Superman wins.

WW head butted him after he used super speed. Thor lays down the hammer. He doesn't have to lay down since the hammer causes him to go stiff and just become the submissive farmboy he truly is.

Originally posted by Impediment
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Superman has super speed that matches the Flash. No amount of twisting and turning of words, feats, or scenes can negate this fact.

Superman speed blitzes the Avengers and wins.

Based on scene feats.

/thread.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He can fight in super speed. I never said he didn't or couldn't. I said he didn't speed blitz anyone of the JL who didn't want to fight him in less than ten seconds let alone in under a second despite the claims from the fanboys.

WW head butted him after he used super speed. Thor lays down the hammer. He doesn't have to lay down since the hammer causes him to go stiff and just become the submissive farmboy he truly is.

So your argument is that Superman wouldn't utilize his speed, because it defeats your argument. While funny, it's not gonna fly here.

Um, Thor can't lay the hammer on Supe's chest, if Supe is standing, as it would just fall to the ground. This is of course ignoring that Thor and the rest of the Avengers will be like statues from Supe's perspective and that would never happen in the first place. They all get wrecked by a single DC hero.

Just popped in to say Superman wins. End of story.

PS: Especially against Thor and Hulk, he wins so easily. Like super easy. He flies back in time afterwards just to laugh at how easily he owned Hulk.

I would not like to be a Hulk fan, knowing he'll never surpass Superman. That's gotta be heart breaking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Steppenwolf was fighting the entire team. Super,am didn't defeat him. He didn't ko him or hurt him as badly as the parademons.

Whether Superman is the only one who fights him is irrelevant. In the cases where they're both going one vs. one with the others not in the picture, Superman:

- sends him flying across the room with a casual punch
- moves so quickly Steppenwolf appears to be standing still, then smacks him down
- smashes him to the ground and then tosses him like a ragdoll

Nobody can seriously watch that fight and think Steppenwolf was in Superman's league. I'm not exaggerating when I say that Captain America has a better shot of beating the Hulk.

Mind you, this is the same Steppenwolf who was overpowering Wonder Woman, who can deflect staggered automatic gunfire spread across an entire line of citizens. People who can block bullets at point blank range look like statues when they're fighting Superman.

When Superman isn't using super-speed*, it's because he doesn't have to because none of his opponents can remotely threaten him.

He had the speed advantage but has still been successfully struck by far slower characters. Acting like he doesn't and only focusing on one part of an entire fight is cherry picking due to bias.

In Justice League which is the assumed version (e.g. seemingly most powerful), the only hits he receives are:

a) When he was disoriented from having just been revived by weird alien tech and not himself, and
b) Totally ineffective

b) is important because we don't think Superman in Superman Returns can't dodge bullets because he doesn't dodge them in that bank robbery scene. He obviously doesn't dodge them because he doesn't need to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman didn't defeat the JL. Despite his speed advantage he didn't even really hurt any of them save Batman. He was still hit by WW right after he used his speed to stop her. She took his attack and responded in kind. She wasn't all out and was begging him to stop.

Thor lays his hammer on his chest instead of head butting him.

What are you talking about? He was hurting Batman because he had beaten everyone else up. As in, for moments the other members were moving so slowly in comparison to him that they seemed to be standing still. WW, Cyborg and Aquaman tried rushing him at the same time and couldn't do jack.

* Mind you, Superman doesn't have to use super-speed for long to win here, he just needs to turn it on in a single burst and kill them all.

Clark wrecks them

Originally posted by Robtard
So your argument is that Superman wouldn't utilize his speed, because it defeats your argument. While funny, it's not gonna fly here.

Um, Thor can't lay the hammer on Supe's chest, if Supe is standing, as it would just fall to the ground. This is of course ignoring that Thor and the rest of the Avengers will be like statues from Supe's perspective and that would never happen in the first place. They all get wrecked by a single DC hero.

He utilizes his speed just as he did in the film. He gets hit prior to the blitz and after by far slower characters. False. If you don't believe he can lay the hammer on his chest you need to get out and experience reality more.

Nah, Batman alone with no powers defeated him. One on one. He stood over Superman's chest. That's a fact. Your fanfic point isn't. What's hilarious is Batman defeated the cuck with Lois in the second fight.

Thor solos.

Show me a clip of someone laying a hammer in the chest of another person standing up. If you don't, log the phuck out.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Whether Superman is the only one who fights him is irrelevant. In the cases where they're both going one vs. one with the others not in the picture, Superman:

- sends him flying across the room with a casual punch
- moves so quickly Steppenwolf appears to be standing still, then smacks him down
- smashes him to the ground and then tosses him like a ragdoll

Nobody can seriously watch that fight and think Steppenwolf was in Superman's league. I'm not exaggerating when I say that Captain America has a better shot of beating the Hulk.

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Mind you, this is the same Steppenwolf who was overpowering Wonder Woman, who can deflect staggered automatic gunfire spread across an entire line of citizens. People who can block bullets at point blank range look like statues when they're fighting Superman.

When Superman isn't using super-speed*, it's because he doesn't have to because none of his opponents can remotely threaten him.

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Batman defeated him. Doomsday killed him. That doesn't fly. Superman gets tagged by slower guys. It happens all the time. WW hit him, etc.

In Justice League which is the assumed version (e.g. seemingly most powerful), the only hits he receives are:

a) When he was disoriented from having just been revived by weird alien tech and not himself, and
b) Totally ineffective
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a) he wasn't disoriented enough to use his powers. Nothing also suggests he wasn't able to use his speed at the beginning of the fight.

b) false. He was affected just not defeated. Superman hit Steppenwolf but didn't critically harm him either so by your logic it was totally ineffective since he showed no signs of injury.

b) is important because we don't think Superman in Superman Returns can't dodge bullets because he doesn't dodge them in that bank robbery scene. He obviously doesn't dodge them because he doesn't need to.

What are you talking about? He was hurting Batman because he had beaten everyone else up. As in, for moments the other members were moving so slowly in comparison to him that they seemed to be standing still. WW, Cyborg and Aquaman tried rushing him at the same time and couldn't do jack.

* Mind you, Superman doesn't have to use super-speed for long to win here, he just needs to turn it on in a single burst and kill them all. [/B]

b) so he's overconfident and doesn't tactically fight. He was clearly blasted by a laser in Man of Steel which obviously hurt him. There went your theory.

They weren't trying to really harm him so no one was going all out. He's clear,y stronger, more durable, and faster than they are anyways.

He's never done so and its out of character for him to kill unless he's saving a life. Even then he cried for Zod like a *****.