Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Trunks had that upgraded SSJ2 form, didn't he? Or he unlocked it afterwards?Anyway, not sure it counts - I mean, technically it was an alternate future version of Dabura...
Completely forgot about that scene.
Manga, I assume? Since he never really goes SSJ2 in the anime.
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't know why some of you guys are acting like Dabra's spit is the deciding factor here..?I mean, it didn't give Dabra any sort of advantage against Boo-era Gohan, after all, so why would it give him the edge against a FAR more powerful version of Gohan? As long as he's at least mindful of his surroundings, the spit would NEVER touch him.
Because it's 3 on 1?
And seeing as how he only survived it because it conveniently hit his glove last time, it's hardly unthinkable that it would touch him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWFuture Trunks stomped future Dabra easily after he went SSJ2:
And Trunks had that upgraded SSJ2 form, didn't he? Or he unlocked it afterwards?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWExactly.
Anyway, not sure it counts - I mean, technically it was an alternate future version of Dabura...
That was an ALTERNATE timeline, and therefore an ALTERNATE version of Dabra. And we know, for a fact, that all things are NOT created equal in future Trunks' timeline.
For starters, Androids #17 and #18 were FAR stronger in the mainstream timeline than they were in Trunks' timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/lJeg8vC.jpg
And there are other differences as well -- like in future Trunks' timeline, Androids #16, #19, and #20 didn't even exist:
https://i.imgur.com/Zabuv0h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SAKFiD7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OzfrnqY.jpg
IOW, ABC logic doesn't exactly work here...
Looking back at it now, can't think of a reason why Cell never used Kaioken, other than the writers forgetting it existed at that point. Initially, the consensus was that it became obsolete once someone reached SSJ level of power, but turns out it wasn't used by Goku anymore because it would've been too much strain on top of his SSJ forms, up until Blue at least where he got better ki control.
Okay, but Cell didn't really have that excuse for not ever using it, especially when he went for broke and used that power weighted form Trunks used at the expense of his speed, when he would've been better off using Kaioken despite the stamina risk. smh
SPC Kaioken on top of that would've been phenomenal at the time. I hate Dragon Ball's writing sometimes, not just with Super.
Only read it once when the scans leaked but I remember trunks only killed dabura once Shin interfered
And trunks used a ki shield for the spit something gohan didn't have
No reason to assume dabura was different or that 16 age 20 didn't exist, the zfighters expecting the androids made all that play out differently but besides all that unless gohan can one shot all 3 I don't see him pulling the majority, goku
Or vegeta? Yeah but gohan trash
Originally posted by Galan007
It doesn't work that way in DBZ. It could be 100 on 1 -- numbers count for nothing if you're significantly weaker than your opponent.
And the group includes SPC , who is close enough to make a difference,
Spit landing on Gohan is easily possible. Especially with Dabura liking to get up close and personal.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeYeah, I'm with you there: writers did NOT want to start stacking power-multipliers at the time. After all, KK multipliers would have skyrocketed these characters into levels of power beyond what even SSJ transformations were capable of.
Looking back at it now, can't think of a reason why Cell never used Kaioken, other than the writers forgetting it existed at that point. Initially, the consensus was that it became obsolete once someone reached SSJ level of power, but turns out it wasn't used by Goku anymore because it would've been too much strain on top of his SSJ forms, up until Blue at least where he got better ki control.Okay, but Cell didn't really have that excuse for not ever using it, especially when he went for broke and used that power weighted form Trunks used at the expense of his speed, when he would've been better off using Kaioken despite the stamina risk. smh
SPC Kaioken on top of that would've been phenomenal at the time. I hate Dragon Ball's writing sometimes, not just with Super.
Hell, even if SPC were only able to use KK x4, it would have still put him on par with SSJ3-levels of power. Can you imagine him using KK x10... or better yet, KK x20..?
F*ck.Me. 😱
Originally posted by TheBadguyAs evident by the scans I posted, SSJ2 Trunks did NOT 'need' Shin to interfere. He was utterly destroying Dabra with minimal effort beforehand. Shin simply used his 'freeze' technique to minimize the energy expenditure on the field so that Trunks could one-shot Dabra in the very next frame, instead of prolonging the battle any further. Remember, they were trying to prevent Boo from hatching in that flashback scene, and the absorption of ambient energy(ala Babidi's Majin-minions) is what freed him. The longer their battle lasted, the more likely/imminent Boo's hatching became... And if Boo were released, future Trunks and his timeline were f*cked.
Only read it once when the scans leaked but I remember trunks only killed dabura once Shin interferedAnd trunks used a ki shield for the spit something gohan didn't have
No reason to assume dabura was different or that 16 age 20 didn't exist, the zfighters expecting the androids made all that play out differently but besides all that unless gohan can one shot all 3 I don't see him pulling the majority, goku
Or vegeta? Yeah but gohan trash
No need to make excuses, lol. Alternate timelines = alternate characters. Unless otherwise specified by the thread starter/OP, they are NOT interchangeable by any stretch of the imagination. srsly
Originally posted by DamborgsonSPC being close to SSJ2 Gohan's level is a matter of opinion, tbh. Personally, I think Gohan was still substantially more powerful. /shrug
And the group includes SPC , who is close enough to make a difference,Spit landing on Gohan is easily possible. Especially with Dabura liking to get up close and personal.
As for the others, it's like I said: they're not powerful enough to make a difference here, as they are both at/around Perfect Cell-level... A serious Gohan could likely two-shot each of them with physical attacks; or one-shot each of them with ki blasts.
Lol. It goes without saying that Gohan dug extra deep when he released the final Kamehameha that killed SPC... That said, the fact that Gohan was still able to achieve power of that magnitude IS quite staggering, given how injured/weakened he was.
And it is also worth noting that Gohan had been intentionally holding back during the beam-lock beforehand, because he was worried about destroying the earth:
https://i.imgur.com/th73tkv.jpg
