Originally posted by abhilegend
His position has nothing to do with power.
Ofcourse it does. All Brothers are equal in power.
Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion, and Mistress Death are all equal. Now that we know Galactus is also a brother, that means this also applies for him.
Also, through the comics Galactus has several times be considered the manifestation of the Power Cosmic. In that aspect, Galactus is Universal, since he represents a force of the Universe.
Full Power Galactus is Universal. We saw Galactus fighting and withholding Chaos and Order which are Universal beings.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... title doesn't equal power. WTF!!! No one debates like that. We go by showings, not names.
They are equal in power. That's what's called the Cosmic Balance.
Well simple, Galactus held his own against a Stronger version of Chaos and Order combined (Logos) which by position surpasses Beerus.
In that aspect Galactus beats.
Originally posted by cdtm
Pocket galaxies.Literally, judging by the scale of the old diagram. Dragon Ball is Microverse sized. A full powered Kamehameha would be a pinprick to Batman, because he's microbe sized against the Dark Knight.
Wrong.
The DC multiverse is smaller than the anti-matter universe.
Meaning that a single universe is infinitely bigger than the DC multiverse.
Not to mention that tiny Mr. Myx was bigger than all of creation.
Mr. Myx is an imp. He's the size of a human child, irl. That means the DC multiverse is smaller than a human child.
Superman would need billions of years to travel from one of Goku's fingers to the other.
Originally posted by cdtm
DC doesn't have a length for a road that travels over halfway across the universe.If Snake Way is a million kilometers and stretch's across the entire map, that makes the size of the universe much shorter then the distance to our sun. Much, much shorter.
Dragon Ball is a microverse. Fact.
DC has a length for Mr. Myx's body, which is bigger than all of creation.
He's the size of a small child, meaning the DC multiverse is roughly as big as Goten.
That map was retconned, btw. Take a look at this thread. Even n00bs know this.
Originally posted by cdtm
No proof is was retconned.You could work in both maps. Snake Ways length is still canon.
It was retconned in a databook, you simpleton.
To reconcile the correct translation of "4 Areas" vs the widespread mistranslation of "4 Galaxies", one of the most reliable and recent official guidebooks to the DBZ Universe puts in this entry:
"銀河 Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty."
The databooks clearly spell it out for us:
- There are galaxies that exist infinitely throughout the universe (please keep in mind this doesn't mean literally infinite, but rather infinite in the same sense that astronomers and cosmologists mean when they say "The universe is infinite."😉
- The "4 Galaxies" are simply casual terms used by the Kais to refer to their respective quadrants over which they rule. It's literally the definition of denomination as it is used in the context:
3. formal
name or designation, especially one serving to classify a set of things.
- Merriam Webster Dictionary
There is a clear difference between the lowercase, improper nouns "galaxies" and the uppercase, proper noun "[Insert Cardinal Direction Here] Galaxy." The first one is a regular galaxy (e.g. the Milky Way), whereas the latter is an informal term used to refer to a quandrant of the universe ruled over by the Kais. To reconcile the correct translation of "4 Areas" vs the widespread mistranslation of "4 Galaxies", one of the most reliable and recent official guidebooks to the DBZ Universe puts in this entry:
"銀河 Galaxy
A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty."
The databooks clearly spell it out for us:
- There are galaxies that exist infinitely throughout the universe (please keep in mind this doesn't mean literally infinite, but rather infinite in the same sense that astronomers and cosmologists mean when they say "The universe is infinite."😉
- The "4 Galaxies" are simply casual terms used by the Kais to refer to their respective quadrants over which they rule. It's literally the definition of denomination as it is used in the context:
3. formal
name or designation, especially one serving to classify a set of things.
- Merriam Webster Dictionary
There is a clear difference between the lowercase, improper nouns "galaxies" and the uppercase, proper noun "[Insert Cardinal Direction Here] Galaxy." The first one is a regular galaxy (e.g. the Milky Way), whereas the latter is an informal term used to refer to a quandrant of the universe ruled over by the Kais.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's not a retcon. It clearly states the "four galaxies" concept is intact, but redefined, and says nothing about Snake Way.The 12 universes would fit inside the sun.
"Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe"
I can see that. I personally think Beerus is far above Galactus in terms of raw power, however. Galactus at even full power is typically shown being above galaxy level beings, but not to the point where they can't hurt or fight him.
Even universe level beings get one-shot by Beerus. He's universal+ at this point, possibly even higher. We still haven't even seen him at full power.