Originally posted by relentless1
he was pretty casually dodging gunfire on the Gotham rooftop at the beginning of JL and he also dodged point black shotgun fire while scrambling on a ceiling at the beginning of BvS as well
Never said Batman was slow, but that is not the same as literally flipping around machine gun fire through the air. And Matt has done that kind of thing multiple times, as well as dodge automatic fire while charging a guy shooting at him. Matt has also accumulated a few solid strength feats at this point, like kicking Bakuto into cement blocks hard enough to break them, kicking a biker the length of a stairwell, one arm tossing Nobu off a roof with his billy clubs, and breaking a 2x4 with an unarmoured forearm strike, just to name a few. So, both have decent feats of speed and strength. But Bruce is more consistently portrayed as a physical powerhouse, whereas Matt is more consistently portrayed as a more acrobatic fighter, and Bruce's top end strength feats are better, whereas Matt's top end acrobatic feats are better. And, at this point, Matt has more pure H2H feats against more established opponents, such as Black Sky Elektra, but Batman has superior gear, which counters that.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman isn't stomping anyone who can give DD helluva fight. He still wins, but he ain't stomping.
Originally posted by The SorrowBatman was outclassed by Deadshot despite him sneaking up and attacking him first. Frank shoots him. Batman just loses a bad matchup here. Only reason Deadshot didn't end him is because he wouldn't shoot due to his daughter interfering.
Yes it was a somewhat tough fight but Frank was clearly outclassed, and Daredevil was even more impressive during Defenders. Castle was a beast but he has been badly hurt, captured etc too many times to be comparable to Batman.
Originally posted by relentless1
he was pretty casually dodging gunfire on the Gotham rooftop at the beginning of JL and he also dodged point black shotgun fire while scrambling on a ceiling at the beginning of BvS as well
Which is totally why he got tagged by a knife? And was running like a girl from Parademons?
Frank would rape him in H2H
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes it was a somewhat tough fight but Frank was clearly outclassed, and Daredevil was even more impressive during Defenders. Castle was a beast but he has been badly hurt, captured etc too many times to be comparable to Batman.
Frank went up against opponents unarmed and unarmored. Batman has always done so with his armor.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?Batman is simply... Better. Punisher is generally more brutal (poor Rollins) and likely more adept with small arms but Bruce doesn't need guns. BvS was easily more impressive than the safehouse shootout.
The only reason Batman survived that warehouse fight without dying or serious injury is because his suit is bullet and knife proof.
Don't get me wrong, I loved that warehouse fight. And I liked it even more because they didn't show Batman as being this invincible ninja that no one hit. He was still human, he still got hit here and there. That made it interesting. Unfortunately, it also shows that he's not quite that skilled or fast.
Originally posted by The Sorrowwrong. He killed roughly twenty soldiers and was captured later. It's odd that you forgot the part where micro outright said that Frank let himself be captured.....
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?Batman is simply... Better. Punisher is generally more brutal (poor Rollins) and likely more adept with small arms but Bruce doesn't need guns. BvS was easily more impressive than the safehouse shootout.
Good thing a still recovering Punisher still killed an entire cell block full of prisoners in h2h. Good thing an out of practice punisher still easily killed three armed men with a sledgehammer. It especially good that a much less experienced or ruthless Frank still killed numeroes armed soldiers on his own.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?
What? He butchered everyone when they raided the warehouse. He got captured in the end when he intentionally gave himself up to get a shot at Rawlins and Russo. He and Micro still prepped the video beforehand to capture the footage that was coming, for Midani. So, even that was part of Frank's plan. And it's a strategy he has pulled off before. He intentionally got himself taken by the Irish in S2 of Daredevil, in order to get close to their leader so he could kill him.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerSorrow clearly hasn't seen it and his killer point is Batman is simply better. That's how to not debate because it's pure bias.
What? He butchered everyone when they raided the warehouse. He got captured in the end when he intentionally gave himself up to get a shot at Rawlins and Russo. He and Micro still prepped the video beforehand to capture the footage that was coming, for Midani. So, even that was part of Frank's plan. And it's a strategy he has pulled off before. He intentionally got himself taken by the Irish in S2 of Daredevil, in order to get close to their leader so he could kill him.
Originally posted by deathslash
It especially good that a much less experienced or ruthless Frank still killed numeroes armed soldiers on his own.
Yeah, that was also a good one, and one I was hoping they would do ever since it was brought up during the Punisher court case, on DD S2. He killed like another 20 odd enemy soldiers solo during that encounter as well.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller👆 and he killed them after eveeyone got pinned down and heavy losses were inflicted on his men.
Yeah, that was also a good one, and one I was hoping they would do ever since it was brought up during the Punisher court case, on DD S2. He killed like another 20 odd enemy soldiers solo during that encounter as well.
And I am starting to think Frank is immune to concussions lol. The amount of head trauma that guy can take and still retain control of all his mental faculties, keep steady aim etc. is just insane. He literally had a guy stomping on his head at one point yet, other than the bruising left, showed no lasting effects.
Another random little thing I noticed, and I am not sure whether it was an intentional homage, or a big coincidence. But the injuries Frank receives towards the end of his show, before going off to fight Billy, is extremely similar to the injuries Daredevil picked up at the beginning of S1. Broken ribs, deep stab wound and multiple other lacerations, punctured lung, heavy blood loss, and severe head trauma. And it's a testament to how tough those two SOBs are that both were back in action a short time later, after only receiving minimal medical treatment.