Are Gender Identify and Sexuality Directly Linked?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, it does affect you when a teen DUI, smokes, or does other things. Only if the teen does drugs while in a safe environment.

And, no, you're not affected at all when a teen has sex...IIF they have adequate sex education and liberal access to birth control.

Right. Same arguments I made. All the transsexuals I personally know, knew they were the gender that they felt they were, long before puberty. At best the argument, that they are making the wrong decision about their gender, is weak. At worst, it is harmful and bigoted towards the Trans community.

However...I would rather err on the side of caution and be fearful of letting children go under the knife. Instead, allow for delayed puberty options under the watchful care of a physician.

My sense of this situation is as follows:

Mind and body are two aspects of the same entity. This has been part of the meditative perspective for millennia, as well as modern science, and heck, even common sense points us in this direction. The notion that mind and body coexist, but somehow separately, is a holdover from the Cartesian paradigm, which, IMHO, is wrong because it stems from the ego's desire to distance itself from death, ie, to distance itself from the demonstrably frail, mortal body (not a good thing to be attached to if you like feeling immortal).

That said, gender and sex are Not unrelated. If a person feels he/she is not entirely one gender or the other, this will be reflected somehow, somewhere in the body: genetically, hormonally, etc. This also means, that unless one's body is in constant metamorphosis, *gender fluid* is a myth, a myth put forth, I suspect, by (at best) adolescent exploration/experimentation, or (at worst) snowflakes determined to be *unique*.

#worldaccordingtome

Maybe someone who identifies as trans will have some sort of biological indicators of that disposition. But it seems to me that when they decide to go through a physical transition that it's essentially to "correct" the discrepancy between what they look like on the outside and what they feel like on the inside. So in these cases it seems their gender identity as they conceptualize it is actually not reflected in their emergent biology.

Originally posted by Mindship
My sense of this situation is as follows:

Mind and body are two aspects of the same entity. This has been part of the meditative perspective for millennia, as well as modern science, and heck, even common sense points us in this direction. The notion that mind and body coexist, but somehow separately, is a holdover from the Cartesian paradigm, which, IMHO, is wrong because it stems from the ego's desire to distance itself from death, ie, to distance itself from the demonstrably frail, mortal body (not a good thing to be attached to if you like feeling immortal).

That said, gender and sex are Not unrelated. If a person feels he/she is not entirely one gender or the other, this will be reflected somehow, somewhere in the body: genetically, hormonally, etc. This also means, that unless one's body is in constant metamorphosis, *gender fluid* is a myth, a myth put forth, I suspect, by (at best) adolescent exploration/experimentation, or (at worst) snowflakes determined to be *unique*.

#worldaccordingtome

As always, a very well thought out and informed post by Mindship. over 10 years later and reading your posts can still sometimes bring a surprise and joy.

Originally posted by Mindship
My sense of this situation is as follows:

Mind and body are two aspects of the same entity. This has been part of the meditative perspective for millennia, as well as modern science, and heck, even common sense points us in this direction. The notion that mind and body coexist, but somehow separately, is a holdover from the Cartesian paradigm, which, IMHO, is wrong because it stems from the ego's desire to distance itself from death, ie, to distance itself from the demonstrably frail, mortal body (not a good thing to be attached to if you like feeling immortal).

That said, gender and sex are Not unrelated. If a person feels he/she is not entirely one gender or the other, this will be reflected somehow, somewhere in the body: genetically, hormonally, etc. This also means, that unless one's body is in constant metamorphosis, *gender fluid* is a myth, a myth put forth, I suspect, by (at best) adolescent exploration/experimentation, or (at worst) snowflakes determined to be *unique*.

#worldaccordingtome

I don't disagree with any of that old pal.

-Whirly

Originally posted by dadudemon
As always, a very well thought out and informed post by Mindship. over 10 years later and reading your posts can still sometimes bring a surprise and joy.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I don't disagree with any of that old pal.

-Whirly

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
So in these cases it seems their gender identity as they conceptualize it is actually not reflected in their emergent biology.

I don't think we are disagreeing. I'm saying I acknowledge there might be a biological indicator that Jenner is trans... But this still doesn't manifest itself in her looking the way she feels. Because if it did there would be no need to do hormones, surgery, etc.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I don't think we are disagreeing. I'm saying I acknowledge there might be a biological indicator that Jenner is trans... But this still doesn't manifest itself in her looking the way she feels. Because if it did there would be no need to do hormones, surgery, etc.

Originally posted by Mindship

... KMC's guardian angel still watching over us 😄

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Hardly anyone is on the forum from that time now. It is actually a long time. Nice to see you are still here.

Originally posted by Mindship
Those were the days, my friend. And we still have the likes of dadudemon and other, sometimes newer, colorful characters.

Mindship, have you had the same avatar/sig for many years now?

I predate this account and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing your sig/avi as early as circa 2007

Originally posted by Scribble
Mindship, have you had the same avatar/sig for many years now?

I predate this account and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing your sig/avi as early as circa 2007

He's always had it.

Thought so. Been constantly impressed by his posts for the whole time I've been here, then. Major props.

Originally posted by Scribble
Thought so. Been constantly impressed by his posts for the whole time I've been here, then. Major props.

Originally posted by Scribble
Mindship, have you had the same avatar/sig for many years now?

I predate this account and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing your sig/avi as early as circa 2007

Originally posted by Scribble
Thought so. Been constantly impressed by his posts for the whole time I've been here, then. Major props.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Yup, he is a good guy, one of the unsung of KMC like Illadelph, Blair Wind and Leonidas down in the comics section, hell even like Kris Blaze who has a brain between his ears on most things

Originally posted by Mindship
Heh, I was wondering how long I've had them. And it probably is earlier than that.
*bows*
Do we get statues? BTW, back when I was more of a Surfer fanboy, Blaze had set me straight about the Surfer-Loki fight, so he gets his statue first.

I think statues are a good idea, I remember when that guy did fantasy pictures of everyone, that was very good.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I remember when that guy did fantasy pictures of everyone, that was very good.

Originally posted by Mindship
Here at KMC? I don't remember that. Who was it?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Blight I think, he had me as an evil ernie faced Genie being released from a bottle, wish I still had it tbh.