Originally posted by -Pr-
Neither side has made any case. It's the usual biased shite.Strange that no versions were specified, though.
It becomes increasingly difficult to specify a version for Darkseid, because once you think that it's really him, it then gets retconned out. Especially if Superman kicks his butt.
There was a solid citation during the Death of the New Gods series stating that Orion, and Superman were his peers though.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
It is funny that the Superman DS side has made no case, yet PG asks the Surfer side to make one.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Neither side has made any case. It's the usual biased shite.Strange that no versions were specified, though.
Originally posted by deathslash
.....he manhandled a team consisting of Power girl, Val Zod, Dr Fate, Flash, obsidian, Steel, Jonni Thunder, Huntress, Batman, Aquawoman, red arrow, and Hawkgirl.http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-94tpcClVeUI/VRKGdmuwFvI/AAAAAAAJErU/TWsEYMeW7XQ/s1600/p2_5.jpg
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Originally posted by Stoic
It becomes increasingly difficult to specify a version for Darkseid, because once you think that it's really him, it then gets retconned out. Especially if Superman kicks his butt.There was a solid citation during the Death of the New Gods series stating that Orion, and Superman were his peers though.
DOTNG is not canon.
Originally posted by Stoic
Both sides appear to have the very same claims. Looks more like the OP holds a biased position from what I can see. Oh wait, you're the opening poster.Figures.
I flat out SAID who I thought wins. I know my reasoning-- Superman and Darkseid are factually more formidable than the other team based on their showings. I am asking for a contrary rationale.
.. which, of course, you cannot provide.
Figures.
Originally posted by panthergod
"looks like?"I flat out SAID who I thought wins. I know my reasoning-- Superman and Darkseid are factually more formidable than the other team based on their showings. I am asking for a contrary rationale.
.. which, of course, you cannot provide.
Figures.
Well in all actuality nothing stops the Surfer from making solar radiation harm Superman instead of feeding him. He has the ability to alter another lifeforms genetic makeup, or didn't you know that?
Thanos is able to contend evenly with a Phoenix Avatar. They casually devour stars which would mean that the latest iteration of Thanos has the power to beat the shit out of Galactus if he were still the Devourer. I mentioned this earlier but you seemed too busy with your own reasoning to take that into account. It's kind of ironic that you're actually pretty ignorant, but then again it figures.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well in all actuality nothing stops the Surfer from making solar radiation harm Superman instead of feeding him. He has the ability to alter another lifeforms genetic makeup, or didn't you know that?
And..?
Superman has resisted molecular attacks from Darkseid(later retconned into being Desaad) during the Byrne Era, in the Morrison Era was resisting transmogrification from Elder God empowered diciple who easily m,anipulkated J'Onn, Barda, Orion and Zauriel.
Surfer isnt doing shit to Superman's genetic makeup.
Thanos is able to contend evenly with a Phoenix Avatar. They casually devour stars which would mean that the latest iteration of Thanos has the power to beat the shit out of Galactus if he were still the Devourer. I mentioned this earlier but you seemed too busy with your own reasoning to take that into account. It's kind of ironic that you're actually pretty ignorant, but then again it figures.
That is out of the scope of this thread, as I don't give a shit about externally empowered upgrades. but nice try trolling, though.
oh, and Darkseid still stomps that Thanos. He's multiversal.
Originally posted by panthergod
And..?Superman has resisted molecular attacks from Darkseid(later retconned into being Desaad) during the Byrne Era, in the Morrison Era was resisting transmogrification from Elder God empowered diciple who easily m,anipulkated J'Onn, Barda, Orion and Zauriel.
Surfer isnt doing shit to Superman's genetic makeup.
That is out of the scope of this thread, as I don't give a shit about externally empowered upgrades. but nice try trolling, though.
oh, and Darkseid still stomps that Thanos. He's multiversal.
Not an upgrade. He is restored. The book makes that clear.
Darkseid is not multiversal despite folks multirepeating that. Phoenix is though.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not an upgrade. He is restored. The book makes that clear.Darkseid is not multiversal despite folks multirepeating that. Phoenix is though.
All the while I’ve proven that Darkseid is indeed Multiversal. I’ve quoted the scenes words for words, and people either can’t read, or they just flat out turn their blinders on.
Or the notion has been debunked:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/debunking-new-52-darkseid-1834592/
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Or the notion has been debunked:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/debunking-new-52-darkseid-1834592/
I haven't read enough to know whether he's multiversal or not, but some of the logic in that post is a tad shaky tbh.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Or the notion has been debunked:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/debunking-new-52-darkseid-1834592/
Pathetic that you're reduced to citing lol--comicvine, lol as an 'authority'.
