Juggernaut vs Thor only H2H

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you believe Thor is very familiar with Cain's power levels and capabilities at this point?

What is your explanation for Juggernaut agreeing that he was amped?

Thor saying he was 100 times more powerful was definitely hyperbole.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Oh wow, Juggernaut could beat up Thor right after the enchanter laid him low and Mjolnir was weakened and Juggernaut was empowered.

Such an amazing contextless feat.

This is about h2h anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't aware of the spell which was drawing him to others and thought he was stronger. It was also noted that Juggernaut was finally cutting loose.

Thor saying he was 100 times more powerful was definitely hyperbole.

Juggernaut thought he was stronger and felt stronger but he wasn't actually stronger. *clap*

Juggernaut knew something was calling to him but he agreed with Thor:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut15.jpg

So again: Do you believe Thor is very familiar with Cain's power levels and capabilities at this point?

What is your explanation for Juggernaut agreeing he was amped?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut thought he was stronger and felt stronger but he wasn't actually stronger. *clap*

Juggernaut knew something was calling to him but he agreed with Thor:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut15.jpg

So again: Do you believe Thor is very familiar with Cain's power levels and capabilities at this point?

What is your explanation for Juggernaut agreeing he was amped?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O4hgWQUUynI/VntR4f_1YoI/AAAAAAAAg8s/q6cZlDjXrB0/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

We are not talking about Bendis here. The three writers involved in the arc (Kurt Busiek, Dan Jurgens and Roger Stern) are continuity freaks.

Juggernaut wasn't amped despite what Thor says. His mind was taken over by Cyttorak which was supposed to happen as soon as he was transformed but it was delayed.

Juggernaut says he feels like he can finally cut loose, like he can finally crush anything in his path including Thor. Where do you imagine that feeling of increased confidence comes from? They've had multiple fights.

😂 You're an idiot. Of course Dan Jurgens is a continuity buff, that's why Juggernaut being amped is even more likely. Everyone is well acquainted with their last two fights and how they stack up. And every time Thor is on the loosing end, he makes sure to have explaniations in play such as Thor being weakened, holding back etc. In this case it was an enemy that was being amped. He's done that trick actually many times including Thanos, Desak, the Destroyer, Perrikus etc.

Why do you keep dodging such a simple question?: Do you believe Thor is very familiar with Cain's power levels and capabilities at this point? Yes or no?

juggs was definitely amped during the 8th day fiasco. even if you don't believe that--which is ridiculous given the way his powers have been shown historically--8th day juggs is a separate character in terms of forum matches. we never assume in a juggs match that 8th day scans are acceptable so the whole issue is moot anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Juggernaut was only that durable due to his force field under Defalco.

I forgot to post this earlier.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut11.jpg

"I am the living embodiment of raw power who is totally resistant to all forms of pain or injury. You can grow weak and be defeated. I can't!"

Juggernaut after Thor removes his force field. DeFalco wrote a Juggernaut that had his classic durability shtick AND surrounded by an all-powerful force field.

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thor shitcans him without his ff up and it's a stupid thread if juggs has it up.

Originally posted by leonidas
juggs was definitely amped during the 8th day fiasco. even if you don't believe that--which is ridiculous given the way his powers have been shown historically--8th day juggs is a separate character in terms of forum matches. we never assume in a juggs match that 8th day scans are acceptable so the whole issue is moot anyway.

On another point, looking back at their last fight, the only superheroes on Earth better acquainted with Juggernaut's power are the X-men at this point. He's been punched by Juggernaut plenty and after their exchange he noted an increase in power levels:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut16.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Juggernaut says he feels like he can finally cut loose, like he can finally crush anything in his path including Thor. Where do you imagine that feeling of increased confidence comes from? They've had multiple fights.

Cyttorak taking over his mind. Xavier even says later that Cain is under a spell which is later revealed as Cyttorak taking over his mind.

😂 You're an idiot. Of course Dan Jurgens is a continuity buff, that's why Juggernaut being amped is even more likely. Everyone is well acquainted with their last two fights and how they stack up. And every time Thor is on the loosing end, he makes sure to have explaniations in play such as Thor being weakened, holding back etc. In this case it was an enemy that was being amped. He's done that trick actually many times including Thanos, Desak, the Destroyer, Perrikus etc.

So, Juggernaut was amped under Jurgens but not under Busiek and Stern?

That makes sense only in your warped mind.

Why do you keep dodging such a simple question?: Do you believe Thor is very familiar with Cain's power levels and capabilities at this point? Yes or no?

No, if he thought Juggernaut got a hundred times stronger.

That is just idiotic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I forgot to post this earlier.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut11.jpg

"I am the living embodiment of raw power who is totally resistant to all forms of pain or injury. You can grow weak and be defeated. I can't!"

Juggernaut after Thor removes his force field. DeFalco wrote a Juggernaut that had his classic durability shtick AND surrounded by an all-powerful force field.

Read very carefully what Cain says. Thor removed his invulnerability.

Originally posted by leonidas
juggs was definitely amped during the 8th day fiasco. even if you don't believe that--which is ridiculous given the way his powers have been shown historically--8th day juggs is a separate character in terms of forum matches. we never assume in a juggs match that 8th day scans are acceptable so the whole issue is moot anyway.

Originally posted by leonidas
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thor shitcans him without his ff up and it's a stupid thread if juggs has it up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cyttorak taking over his mind. Xavier even says later that Cain is under a spell which is later revealed as Cyttorak taking over his mind.

So, Juggernaut was amped under Jurgens but not under Busiek and Stern?

That makes sense only in your warped mind.

No, if he thought Juggernaut got a hundred times stronger.

That is just idiotic.

So the extradimensional entity that powers him is invading his mind and Juggernaut claims his powerful than ever but you don't think that means he had a power increase but only thought he did?

This comic was published in 1998, not 2017. Majority of Thor readers only knew about Eighth Day as far as what happened in Thor #17. It's only in your warped mind that you think the intent was to print multiple times that Juggernaut was amped but not to have him actually amped because another writer in another comic did something different. You're not using common sense.

How many fights or punches to the face do you have to take from an opponent before you are familiar their power levels and capabilities iyo?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Way to ignore the context as usual.

Read very carefully what Cain says. Thor removed his invulnerability.

I know Thor removed his invulnerability because his invulnerability IS tied to his force field. He's not invulnerable without it, never has been. He STILL however without it basically invulnerable to most heroes:

"I am the living embodiment of raw power who is totally resistant to all forms of pain or injury. You can grow weak and be defeated. I can't!" - Juggernaut AFTER the force field is removed.

Do you disagree with this assessment? I am curious as it would contradict your past posts in other threads and I'm curious what durability feats you have for Juggernaut without the force field to match these ones. 🙂

2 pages later and I'm confused as to why you didn't battle zone me if you have this much interest in discussing Thor vs. Juggernaut...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Way to ignore the context as usual.

Read very carefully what Cain says. Thor removed his invulnerability.
8th day juggernaut is just Cain under Cyttorak's control. As soon as he defeated it under his mind, he reverted back to what he was.
How does he beats Juggernaut without his shield?

his invulnerability was equated with his shield in that arc.... w/o his ff up (aka his invulnerability) thor wrecked him. not seeing the issue here. /shrug

there have been several instances of juggs being hurt in the past, so thor smacking him around isn't really anything special. there was a thread a while ago where someone posted a whole slew of pics where juggs was hurt by a bunch of different things. he is highly durable without his ff, but not invulnerable. its the shield that makes him truly impossible to hurt for most.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So the extradimensional entity that powers him is invading his mind and Juggernaut claims his powerful than ever but you don't think that means he had a power increase but only thought he did?

Because it was only in his mind and he wasn't shown or stated to be any more powerful. The spell was only to remove the free will of the exemplars.

Have you actually read the story?

This comic was published in 1998, not 2017. Majority of Thor readers only knew about Eighth Day as far as what happened in Thor #17. It's only in your warped mind that you think the intent was to print multiple times that Juggernaut was amped but not to have him actually amped because another writer in another comic did something different. You're not using common sense.

It was a crossover. Not a standalone issue in Thor.

You yourself said that Juggernaut was amped in Thor and not in the other comics.

Are you sure you can read?

How many fights or punches to the face do you have to take from an opponent before you are familiar their power levels and capabilities iyo?

If it is Thor, probably thousands. He is basically a retard at this point.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know Thor removed his invulnerability because his invulnerability IS tied to his force field. He's not invulnerable without it, never has been. He STILL however without it basically invulnerable to most heroes:

"I am the living embodiment of raw power who is totally resistant to all forms of pain or injury. You can grow weak and be defeated. I can't!" - Juggernaut AFTER the force field is removed.

Do you disagree with this assessment? I am curious as it would contradict your past posts in other threads and I'm curious what durability feats you have for Juggernaut without the force field to match these ones. 🙂

It's posts like these which makes me wonder if you actually read the comics or just look at the pictures.

Originally posted by leonidas
his invulnerability was equated with his shield in that arc.... w/o his ff up (aka his invulnerability) thor wrecked him. not seeing the issue here. /shrug

there have been several instances of juggs being hurt in the past, so thor smacking him around isn't really anything special. there was a thread a while ago where someone posted a whole slew of pics where juggs was hurt by a bunch of different things. he is highly durable without his ff, but not invulnerable. its the shield that makes him truly impossible to hurt for most.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
2 pages later and I'm confused as to why you didn't battle zone me if you have this much interest in discussing Thor vs. Juggernaut...

What I don't like even more is you, so it just balances out.

Perfect.

Thor vs. Juggernaut (Without force field)battle zone? Thor is limited only to physical attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Cain is a bully and a coward who thinks very highly of himself. He thought he was as powerful as before but he wasn't.

It's posts like these which makes me wonder if you actually read the comics or just look at the pictures.
Oh I'm sure Thor can hurt him. Knocking him out though? Not even in question, Thor can't knock him out. Heck he couldn't knock out Depowered Juggernaut with several attacks.

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"I am the living embodiment of raw power who is totally resistant to all forms of pain or injury. You can grow weak and be defeated. I can't!" - Juggernaut AFTER the force field is removed AND Thor sent him flying with a punch and explained it was removed. How exactly would Juggernaut assume he's still as powerful as before when making that statement?

Your argument is that neither Thor OR Juggernaut know how strong or how powerful or what the Juggernaut's abilities are. Who exactly can make a comment on the state of his power level if not the person fighting him or himself?

You're a f*cking idiot and a joke. Your mom should have swallowed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't aware of the spell which was drawing him to others and thought he was stronger. It was also noted that Juggernaut was finally cutting loose.

Thor saying he was 100 times more powerful was definitely hyperbole.
Enrakt was free from mjolnir before that.

This is about h2h anyway.

Yes and he rekt Thor when leaving.

That was moments before Juggernaut attacked him.

And Mjolnir wasn't really healed until many issues later.