Originally posted by NewGuy01
Okay, but I specifically specified that I wasn't taking the anime into account, so why even bring it up?Considering how Beerus--who was several orders of magnitude above literally everyone else until his introduction--was the first to be introduced as a universe buster in canon, I don't think that's the "clear intention" at all lmao.
👆 And n00b SSJG Goku made him use 100%.
1. Just saying, dude. He doesn't have any feats in the anime other than stomping Buuhan.
2. I meant to say galaxy level there. Although regardless, SSJG Goku couldn't have been that much stronger than Super Vegetto, unless you're arguing that his SSJ1 with god ki was also superior to Super Vegetto. Honestly, the implication was simple. Vegeta was > SSJ3 Buu saga Goku, and he made Beerus use 10% power. Even if he was 10X stronger than SSJ3 Goku, he still was weaker than Buutenks. SSJG Goku made Beerus use 70%, as per the anime. I didn't read that part in the manga, but he definitely didn't go 100%, lmao.
It was therefor clearly implied that he was around 7 times stronger than enraged Vegeta. Even if we assume SSJ3 Goku was 1% of Beerus, that makes SSJG Goku around 70 times SSJ3 Goku level. Buuhan was already around 24X stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Vegetto would only have to be 3X stronger than Buuhan to make him stronger than SSJG Goku. Even if he was only 2X stronger than Buuhan, he'd still be up to par with a 50% Beerus.
My point is that there isn't that much of a gap between n00b SSJG Goku and Super Vegetto, even giving Goku the benefit of the doubt. If n00b SSJG Goku is universe level, Super Vegetto should be at least multi-galaxy level.
That's all I'm saying.
3. Already said this, but SSJG Goku didn't make Beerus use 100%, unless it was manga only.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Though I suppose you could still use that feat to argue Odin is universal, or at least massively multi-Galactic.
We've been over this- Odin is galactic at best. All the feats you've posted of him being universal were literally planet level- not universe level, lol.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Buuhan's scream also wasn't Multiversal.
In the anime, it was going to destroy "All of creation". Universal, at least.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nope, it was an anime-only statement from Beerus. Check episode 13.
Yeah, he was lying.
SSJB > SSJG, and Beerus has rofl-stomped SSJB Goku and Vegeta.
Akira Toriyama himself stated Goku made Beerus use around 60-70%. He said Goku was a 6 or 7(I can't remember which), and Beerus was a 10.
Regardless, my argument still stands.
Even if he got 1,000,000 times stronger, that wouldn't take him from a multi-solar system buster to a universe buster. Even being conservative, SSJG Goku was less than 3 times stronger than Super Vegetto. That alone implies him to be at least multi-galaxy level.
I'm simply arguing that mutli-galaxy > galaxy level, which should comfortably put Super Vegetto > Odin. At the most, I could see Odin maybe beating him, and still getting stomped by SSJG. /shrug
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It doesn’t matter. The implication wasn’t clearly meant to reflect that Vegeta was far stronger than SSJ3 Goku. That’s all that matters here, considering that he was still at a level where he could be compared to SSJG Goku.
None of this changes the implication that multi Galaxy busting powers were being thrown around here. Otherwise Goku would have needed to become literally quintillion’s of times stronger in SSJG, and Vegeta wouldn’t have ever been able to fight on par with him again, which clearly wasn’t the case, lol.