Darth Maul vs. Supreme Leader Snoke

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
To me Maul is the inferior to all the Siths!

Dooku and Vader are above him.

Yet Maul lost to a Padawan, that is bad for his record TBH.

Dooku was held captive by Hondo and his men. What's worse is they also held Anakin and Kenobi. Maul was overconfident and had bested him in combat. He already defeated his master so once you grasp he wasn't defeated via skill he was just caught off guard because he was overconfident. That's all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul would best the both of them.

Dooku was held captive by Hondo and his men. What's worse is they also held Anakin and Kenobi. Maul was overconfident and had bested him in combat. He already defeated his master so once you grasp he wasn't defeated via skill he was just caught off guard because he was overconfident. That's all.

Maul was defeated by a Padawan whilst Tyranus was defeated by a Jedi!

Maul faced a Padawan (Kenobi) and a Jedi (Quin Gon).

Tyranus faced two Jedi (Kenobi and Skywalker) and then faced Yoda (Although Yoda beat his ass, still Tyranus was able to hold himself with is still impressive).

Tyranus is above Maul. And Vader is above both of them.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Yet Maul lost to a Padawan, that is bad for his record TBH.

So did Vader.

So again, shit argument.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So did Vader.

So again, shit argument.

What is the name of SW6?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Maul was defeated by a Padawan whilst Tyranus was defeated by a Jedi!

Maul faced a Padawan (Kenobi) and a Jedi (Quin Gon).

Vader lost to Just 1 Padawan.

His argument sucks.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What is the name of SW6?

Which Jedi takes Anakin as his apprentice at the end of Ep.1?

You’re too hypocritical in your arguments. They’re seriously shit.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Maul was defeated by a Padawan whilst Tyranus was defeated by a Jedi!

Maul faced a Padawan (Kenobi) and a Jedi (Quin Gon).

Tyranus faced two Jedi (Kenobi and Skywalker) and then faced Yoda (Although Yoda beat his ass, still Tyranus was able to hold himself with is still impressive).

Tyranus is above Maul. And Vader is above both of them. [/B]

We see in the right circumstances Rey win over Ben without any training. What's worse for you Maul defeated him skill wise.

Dooku is no joke but he lost skill wise to Anakin. He was trounced. Maul at his peak in TPM was not defeated by either skill wise.

Dooku has more force power than Maul but not enough of an advantage to be able to defeat him based on that alone. Nah, Vader in the suit was less mobile and less impressive than Rots Vader.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which Jedi takes Anakin as his apprentice at the end of Ep.1?

You’re too hypocritical in your arguments. They’re seriously shit.

HAHAHA.

You clearly avoided my question! HAHAHAHA. Concession accepted.

Kenobi became a Jedi after killing Maul! Watch the movie again.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Kenobi became a Jedi after killing Maul! Watch the movie again.

And when did Luke become a Jedi? Before or after he defeated Vader?

Just like in the Hulk vs Thor you show no logic or common sense and just argue based on your likings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've already explained the situation and you just repeat yourself. He beat him skill wise as he beat his master skill wise. He was overconfident and was caught off guard.
So ?

We see in the right circumstances Rey win over Ben without any training. What's worse for you Maul defeated him skill wise.

Dooku is no joke but he lost skill wise to Anakin. He was trounced. Maul at his peak in TPM was not defeated by either skill wise.

Dooku has more force power than Maul but not enough of an advantage to be able to defeat him based on that alone. Nah, Vader in the suit was less mobile and less impressive than Rots Vader.

Doesn't matter. Beaten by a Padawan. One way or another that's still bad.

Anakin and a trained Kenobi > Padawan Kenobi and Qui Gon!

Tyranus is above his level! Basic logic!

Vader is way beyond Maul. Keep Vader out of this and focus on Tyranus, cause clearly Maul is at a disadvantage against Tyranus.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Doesn't matter. Beaten by a Padawan. One way or another that's still bad.

Anakin and a trained Kenobi > Padawan Kenobi and Qui Gon!

Tyranus is above his level! Basic logic!

Vader is way beyond Maul. Keep Vader out of this and focus on Tyranus, cause clearly Maul is at a disadvantage against Tyranus.

I agree they are superior to what Maul faced but that has no bearing on how Maul stacks up to Dookj.

No, it isn't. We take into consideration their strengths, weaknesses, and fighting styles.

No, he isn't. Vader is overrated and dominated a weak era. Once Luke came into his own he crushed Vader. Vader in the suit isn't Anakin outside of the suit. His maneuverability was greatly diminished.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And when did Luke become a Jedi? Before or after he defeated Vader?

Just like in the Hulk vs Thor you show no logic or common sense and just argue based on your likings.

When he confronted Vader. Clearly stated by Yoda that Luke would become a Jedi when he confronted his father!

HAHAHAHA! Remember who has Thor on his Profile Pic!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
When he confronted Vader. Clearly stated by Yoda that Luke would become a Jedi when he confronted his father!

So he became a Jedi as soon as he met Vader? Lol no. He only became a Jedi when after facing Vader he threw away his Lightsaber and declared himself a Jedi. Not a moment before. Watch the damn movie Lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just repeat yourself which isn't debating.

I agree they are superior to what Maul faced but that has no bearing on how Maul stacks up to Dookj.

No, it isn't. We take into consideration their strengths, weaknesses, and fighting styles.

No, he isn't. Vader is overrated and dominated a weak era. Once Luke came into his own he crushed Vader. Vader in the suit isn't Anakin outside of the suit. His maneuverability was greatly diminished.

If a Padawan/new to the force Kenobi beat Maul then a trained Kenobi demolishes him!

Okay based on what do you claim Maul superior? Based on which feats?

Dooku had electricity which is a power obtained by a well trained Sith. Dooku's lightsaber skills surpass Anakin's and Kenobi! His TK is well polished.

Maul only fought 2 Jedi's (Let's say i grant Kenobi the title of a Jedi) only to die.

So again what's your point?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So he became a Jedi as soon as he met Vader? Lol no. He only became a Jedi when after facing Vader he threw away his Lightsaber and declared himself a Jedi. Not a moment before. Watch the damn movie Lol

Does confront and defeat stand for the same now?

And still, are you claiming that Padawan Kenobi = Padawan Luke!?

😂

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If a Padawan/new to the force Kenobi beat Maul then a trained Kenobi demolishes him!

Okay based on what do you claim Maul superior? Based on which feats?

Dooku had electricity which is a power obtained by a well trained Sith. Dooku's lightsaber skills surpass Anakin's and Kenobi! His TK is well polished.

Maul only fought 2 Jedi's (Let's say i grant Kenobi the title of a Jedi) only to die.

So again what's your point?

🙂

Ok ? Nah, Anakin is a better duelist than Dooku. He proved it.

Maul's style, his physicality and his aggressive style is more akin to Anakin than Kenobi's more defensive cautious based approach. Maul wins just as Anakin beat him.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Does confront and defeat stand for the same now?

Did you miss the part where he says “I’m a Jedi” AFTER defeating Vader and resisting the dark side?

Did you miss the part where Qui-Gon tells the Jedi Council that Obi-Wan is ready for the trials?

What about the opening crawl which refers to Ep.1 Kenobi as a Jedi Knight?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Does confront and defeat stand for the same now?

And still, are you claiming that Padawan Kenobi = Padawan Luke!?

😂

Ah so the argument is hanging now. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat him because he was overconfident and taunting him. Maul beat him skill wise. We see a trained Kenobi not beat him in clone wars. Maul beats him. Kenobi also flees from him in the clone wars.

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Ok ? Nah, Anakin is a better duelist than Dooku. He proved it.

Maul's style, his physicality and his aggressive style is more akin to Anakin than Kenobi's more defensive cautious based approach. Maul wins just as Anakin beat him.

Yet a Padawan no where near to the level of skill and knowledge of Kenobi by the time of RoTS or CW!

Maul was a failure, whether you like it or not!

What's more, Sidious himself disposed of him!

If Maul was as you claim, more powerful than Tyranus, then Sidious would have disposed of Tyranus and would have taken Maul for apprentice once more!

The rule of two doesn't fail!

The Master Sith would always look for the strongest apprentice.

Maul was replaced by Tyranus which in turn was replaced by Vader

Even if you can prove Maul stronger than Tyranus, Maul wouldn't ever reach Vader's power.

Sorry but that's how things are.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Did you miss the part where he says “I’m a Jedi” AFTER defeating Vader and resisting the dark side?

Did you miss the part where Qui-Gon tells the Jedi Council that Obi-Wan is ready for the trials?

What about the opening crawl which refers to Ep.1 Kenobi as a Jedi Knight?

Ah so the argument is hanging now. Concession accepted.

Yeah. He won, a clear Jedi.

Yet Yoda didn't claim he need to win in order to become a Jedi. Yoda didn't know if Luke would win.

All Luke had to do was confront Vader. To prove he wouldn't bend to the Dark Side.

Even if Vader or Sidious would have killed him, he would have been a Jedi.

Did you missed the part where Yoda himself claims that Luke's training was complete?

No am showing you that one way or the next your argument is weak.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet a Padawan no where near to the level of skill and knowledge of Kenobi by the time of RoTS or CW!

Maul was a failure, whether you like it or not!

What's more, Sidious himself disposed of him!

If Maul was as you claim, more powerful than Tyranus, then Sidious would have disposed of Tyranus and would have taken Maul for apprentice once more!

The rule of two doesn't fail!

The Master Sith would always look for the strongest apprentice.

Maul was replaced by Tyranus which in turn was replaced by Vader

Even if you can prove Maul stronger than Tyranus, Maul wouldn't ever reach Vader's power.

Sorry but that's how things are.

Maul was a success but it's a master of perspective. You seem to be losing so you continue to try to say unrelated things.

Sidious didn't kill him. Your facts are incorrect but Maul was a rival to Sidious at the height of his power during the clone wars.

Maul wasn't replaced he was cut in half and fell out of favor. Sidious didn't look for his apprentice replacement until after he was cut in half and supposedly dead.

Kenobi wasn't at Vader's level but he defeated him all the same. You are free to have your opinion but I refute your points at every single turn.