Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And? I dont recall kryptonite somehow reducing Superman's skin density.
I'm pretty sure kryptonite weakens his durability, lol. We don't know the specific mechanism (in the comics it would weaken his s-shield) but it seems pretty obviously the case.
That's my issue with buying that Apoc and co. can win - they have no realistic pathway to hurting him, even if we assume they can somehow tag him.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm pretty sure kryptonite weakens his durability, lol. We don't know the specific mechanism (in the comics it would weaken his s-shield) but it seems pretty obviously the case.That's my issue with buying that Apoc and co. can win - they have no realistic pathway to hurting him, even if we assume they can somehow tag him.
As you yourself claimed. You dont know the exact mechanism. So isnt like Superman's skin is invulnerable
Magneto was ablee to influence the metal at a planetary level
JL Superman dies the moment Apoc reduces his speed. Magneto would crush Superman with all that metal.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you yourself claimed. You dont know the exact mechanism. So isnt like Superman's skin is invulnerable
Sure, Superman isn't invulnerable, but he can lolnope conventional weaponry and survive a nuke so I'm not sure how scrap metal or sand are going to hurt him.
Magneto was ablee to influence the metal at a planetary level
Yeah but he can't concentrate that meaningfully for this fight - against Apoc he was only able to fling a bunch of nearby metal at him at high speeds, but he wasn't doing anything on a planetary level of power.
JL Superman dies the moment Apoc reduces his speed.
How does Apoc "reduce his speed"? He caught QS with like a root or something, that's not going to do jack against Superman.
Magneto would crush Superman with all that metal.
How?
1. How does he hit Superman?
2. How does he hurt Superman with a bunch of flying metal debris?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sure, Superman isn't invulnerable, but he can lolnope conventional weaponry and survive a nuke so I'm not sure how scrap metal or sand are going to hurt him.Yeah but he can't concentrate that meaningfully for this fight - against Apoc he was only able to fling a bunch of nearby metal at him at high speeds, but he wasn't doing anything on a planetary level of power.
How does Apoc "reduce his speed"? He caught QS with like a root or something, that's not going to do jack against Superman.
How?
1. How does he hit Superman?
2. How does he hurt Superman with a bunch of flying metal debris?
No, but a vast amount will hurt him. We have seen Doomsday's strength outpowering and even weakening Superman.
A large amount of metal or sand constantly hitting him would be devastating. Even for Superman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wnrf4jhH0
Watch that video. I don't see Superman surviving that.
Apocalypse has TK. He also has control over Sands and apparently soil.
That wasn't a root!
Originally posted by Surtur
This is a stomp for Supes lol. To suggest his getting shanked when kryptonite was in play has any bearing on this is insane.Kryptonite weakens him, period.
Kryptonite weakens Superman. It's like poison to him.
Doesn't mean that you can pierce Superman with a knife just because you have kryptonite near him.
Besides, Doomsday beat Superman's ass way before the Spear was a factor.
Magneto and Apocalypse > Doomsday.
MoS loses this one.
So they have to do two things* to hurt Superman:
1. Catch him (how? Root or not that thing Apoc used on QS wouldn't do jack to Supes).
2. Hurt him (how? Doomsday rivals Superman in strength, a bunch of flying debris doesn't, and not sure if just having more of it would change anything).
* Of course we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Superman can attack too.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So they have to do two things* to hurt Superman:1. Catch him (how? Root or not that thing Apoc used on QS wouldn't do jack to Supes).
2. Hurt him (how? Doomsday rivals Superman in strength, a bunch of flying debris doesn't, and not sure if just having more of it would change anything).
* Of course we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Superman can attack too.
1. What makes you think it wouldn't?
I am not saying that the root/sand/soil would completly stop him like it did QS. But certainly it would reduce his speed.
Sand controled by Apoc or TK could be used to slow Superman to a point in where Magneto and the other riders would be able to attack him.
2. Lol. A bunch of large metal debris moving at high speed you mean.
If we apply science, add the weigh of such metals plus the speed....The amount of force being applied certainly would rival that of a punch from Doomsday.
Plus, you are ignoring the fact that the Metals could possibly harm Superman.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. What makes you think it wouldn't?
Superman flies at hypersonic speeds, casually lifts up office buildings, casually flies through missiles and casually flies through skyscrapers. Sand and soil are going to noticeably slow him?
Mind you, since Superman will be flying Apoc can't just blindside him with something sticking out from the ground, if he tries to fling sand at Supes, the sand will literally look like they're suspended in the air to him. There's no evidence Apoc can hurl that sand at like mach 1000 either.
2. Lol. A bunch of large metal debris moving at high speed you mean.
Yes. See above.
If we apply science, add the weigh of such metals plus the speed....The amount of force being applied certainly would rival that of a punch from Doomsday.
Well two can play this game: by flying at the hypersonic speeds he does in MoS etc. Superman is tanking more force from sheer air resistance, and certainly when he then casually flies through steel structures, etc.
But Superman, Doomsday, etc.'s punches and whatever don't seem to scale that way, or else there's no way Supes could lift structures that heavy without the ground collapsing.
Plus, you are ignoring the fact that the Metals could possibly harm Superman.
How are metals going to harm Superman? Missiles do nothing to him, physical impacts do nothing to him, the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.
Ohhhh Yes!!!!
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Battle starts in the middle of Times Square.- no civilians
- bloodlusted
- aware of each other's abilities
- Apoc and Magneto start with shields up
- No telepathy
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They are in time's square which means that they are on Earth.
Magneto has control over metal all over the world. Which includes Nukes.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Superman flies at hypersonic speeds, casually lifts up office buildings, casually flies through missiles and casually flies through skyscrapers. Sand and soil are going to noticeably slow him?Mind you, since Superman will be flying Apoc can't just blindside him with something sticking out from the ground, if he tries to fling sand at Supes, the sand will literally look like they're suspended in the air to him. There's no evidence Apoc can hurl that sand at like mach 1000 either.
Yes. See above.
Well two can play this game: by flying at the hypersonic speeds he does in MoS etc. Superman is tanking more force from sheer air resistance, and certainly when he then casually flies through steel structures, etc.
But Superman, Doomsday, etc.'s punches and whatever don't seem to scale that way, or else there's no way Supes could lift structures that heavy without the ground collapsing.
How are metals going to harm Superman? Missiles do nothing to him, physical impacts do nothing to him, the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.
Apocalypse TK is enough to slow Superman's speed.
Superman is on the losing side here Ellimist.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Much like Magneto, it isn't clear that his pyramid creating TK can just be focused on a single person, given that he noticeably fails to do this against the likes of Beast, etc. In either case, Superman can fly at hypersonic speeds and easily lift that much too, soooo...
Maybe because never needed to.
But at the lights of someone like Superman....He could depict such thing.
That's speculation. He has been seen lifting Enormous objects yet he can't pick a single person? Naah, that's speculation.