Knightfall Vader runs the sabers gauntlet

Legends (which includes novelizations)
Sabers + passive Force powers only
Full heal blah blah blah

1. DoE Bane
2. RotJ Vader
3. TCW Mace Windu
4. Darth Caedus
5. RotS Sidious
6. DE Sidious
7. TUF Luke
8. LotF Luke
9. Oneness Jacen Solo

7 & 8 are 50/50, he dies at 9.

5 is 50/50; dies at 6.

LMAO.

I'm being generous; a lot of people would argue that he wasn't RotS Palpatine's equal, and that he was flat-out inferior.

Those people are directly contradicting Canon.

5 but Anakin can win.

Clears

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Originally posted by AncientPower
7 & 8 are 50/50, he dies at 9.

Why's that?

6 or 7 for the minority

6 or 7

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Why's that?

Because everybody prior to 7 has fvck all chance of surviving KF!Vader in pure sabers.

But what does he have to put him on Luke's level, or DE Sidious's?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
But what does he have to put him on Luke's level, or DE Sidious's?

Still not sure on whether Palpatine's speed feats during DE are so much better than in RotJ that he'd surpass Knightfall Vader

Originally posted by Azronger
Still not sure on whether Palpatine's speed feats during DE are so much better than in RotJ that he'd surpass Knightfall Vader

He grows stronger from RotS -> RotJ, then RotJ -> DE, and is in a younger body. It's not trivial to conclude that KF Vader is superior just because some quotes suggest he was above RotS Sidious.

Nah, KF Vader is pretty soldily beyond RotS Sidious in sabers. Not sure if DE Palpatine can eclipse that just because he's infinitely more powerful in the Force.

Originally posted by Azronger
Nah, KF Vader is pretty soldily beyond RotS Sidious in sabers. Not sure if DE Palpatine can eclipse that just because he's infinitely more powerful in the Force.

Wait, are you kidding? "Infinitely more powerful in the Force" seems to matter quite a bit, but sorry if I'm missing the sarcasm.

No sarcasm, just that I don't think he's definitively beyond KF Anakin in just based on that. Not that I don't think he could be, I'm just not too confident to make that conclusion with too vague evidence

The literature seems confused over Knightfall Vader / Anakin vs. RotS Sidious, given that some sources say Vader, some say Sidious, Sidious himself says Vader eventually but not yet, etc. I tend to reconcile these into "Vader has more sheer power but Sidious is still all-around more "powerful" practically", and say that Knightfall Vader would win in sabers because that tends to favor the former.

But DE Sidious is sufficiently above RotS Sidious that I think it's a stretch to say Vader would still win.