Originally posted by quanchi112
That is what you keep saying to ignore the evidence and to just focus on conjecture. That's why you fail. It's never ok to ignore evidence and to play make believe. ZENTREX.
I'm not ignoring evidence. You're ignoring evidence. Making a general statement about me not paying attention to facts doesn't disprove the fact that I've already told you why what we "saw" (or rather didn't see ) in the film is not sufficient evidence against Serkis' word, and the visual dictionary, and the basic concept behind this character.
You can keep pretending in your head canon that Snoke's this person who deserves the respect he commands with his presence, but the character was not written to operate that way. That's literally what Serkis said. He's trying to make himself seem more powerful and commanding respect to HIDE the fact that he's vulnerable.
I don't even know why I'm repeating myself. We both know you're only going to take the smallest piece of this quote when you respond in order to make my argument look totally different from what it is as you've been doing this whole time anyway.
Seriously, I used to think that you wouldn't accept my rebuttal because you were too dense, but after reading through your "favorite character" comments, I think you're just a Snoke fanboy unwilling to accept the facts, the type of fanboy you condemn so much. But worse, because you're unwilling to admit your own biases and pretend that you ARE looking at the facts, likely due to some sort of stubborness or ego.
Well, anyway.
Physicality limits Yoda, Sidious, and Vader as well. We see when every force user taps into the force thy surpass their physical limitations. Even the younger Jedi can't jump twenty to thirty feet you moron so the force allows them to bypass their limitations just as Snoke or any other force user.
1. It's possible that the jedi jump in the new canon by lifting themselves up using the force, the way they would lift other things up, so force augmentation isn't a canon ability.
2. Beings as damaged as Snoke can't do much with what they have, even if they CAN use force augmentation. They're too damaged for that. Take Vader for example. He had the force, but he still would have died had he been left with those injuries he obtained on Mustafar. The Force can't save anyone from THAT much damage.
3. When the creators were originally creating Snoke, they thought it would be cool to have a villain who is both powerful and vulnerable. So, Snoke is vulnerable, whether or not it makes sense in the sense of the old lore.
Such as ? Examples.
Such as making a collision in hyperspace possible, making Luke pull a weapon on a child, someone feeling a "pull to the light side", the two sides of the force in balance leading to a more powerful user than a purely dark or light side user, I could go on. Am I getting deja vu, or are you just ignoring the multiple times I've already said this?
We see Snoke fight and easily dismiss two extremely powerful force users. So what's the problem ?
He did that in his throne room. As I've said before he's the lion as long as he's in his den. Once he steps out, he's a mouse. His physicality probably prevents him from doing anything too physical outside of a place where all things are specifically adjusted for his comfort.
So ? So your point is fighting inside a room of your own choosing provided hm advantages. Which ones ? Should he be naked in a cave ? What would change ? His powers and abilities are the same. You don't seem to make legitimate posts and pretend the environment altered his powers.
The environment didn't alter his powers, it simply allowed him enough relief from his constant pain that he could focus on fighting. He would be in too much pain were he not in his throne room, with an even floor and a chair for him to sit in, and shoes and robes which keep his body in a comfortable position softly.
No, that is Vader. Snoke won't die and showed himself fine in combat which is the point you seem hell bent on ignoring.
I'm NOT ignoring it, man, I've already said that it's because he's trying to show that he's powerful and command respect, when really, what he did was causing him quite a bit of pain. You seem hell bent on ignoring THAT! QUANCHI
Yoda would be uncomfortable as well. Nah, false. Palpatine was beaten by Windu and killed by a one handed Vader. It wasn't a quick attack and he was unable to free himself from his death grip. Sidious used a cane to walk as well so his body was old, scarred, and far past his physical peak. He had force powers to negate Father Time just as Snoke. It's the same thing.
Yoda is not NEARLY as scarred as Snoke. And as I have said many times before, that was not the point of the character. Yoda was always supposed to jump around and be kind of an ecstatic character, whereas Snoke was always meant to be vulnerable, and the way they made him vulnerable was by making him physically incapable. Sidious' cane was a fake, at least in the E.U. And we've seen him walk without it.
And maybe you don't understand the extent of Snoke's injuries. Here's a visual to help you out: https://i.redd.it/jkar8nkl80by.png (Twisted like a corkscrew). He's suffering from diseases and bone problems which were based off soldiers' injuries in WW1.
Snoke won twice against powerful force users with his frail body. It didn't even cost hm to be injured when he was focusing. Vader was grazed by Luke in his suit prior to us training being complete in fair combat.
IIRC, Snoke wasn't out there with a lightsaber toying with the user's physical skills. And also IIRC, when Vader started using the Force against Luke, Luke started getting absolutely decimated. And a graze in his suit isn't going to make the entire suit useless. The vast majority of what the suit provides him is still accessible after that graze.
He wasn't trying but that's what he did. He was trying to reflect it and this damaged his face. No, that's not to be taken literally. The Lightning scarred him. Sidious confirms this in the film.
He was lying in order to make the Jedi order more sympathetic to his cause. When he actually got the "scars", he didn't react as if he were in pain. Because he wasn't. This is canon, confirmed. Look it up.
Luke didn't resist anything in the film. Nothing. It always hurt him. Snoke is a lot more powerful than Sidious which is confirmed by Serkis.
You don't know if Luke resisted him or not. The point is, Sidious can defend himself from threats which Snoke might not be able to defend himself from.
So Sidious was armed and still died despite having more than five seconds to stop a one armed saberless Vader.
Well, yeah. He was sure that Vader wouldn't kill him, but he was wrong. And he was usinf Force lightning on Vader, it just didn't work because of the power of love or whatever.
