So - How powerful is Snoke, exactly?

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The point is, then, that Rey was essentially helpless against Snoke. She was blatantly not prepared, nor did she use telekinesis to try to counter Snoke's attacks. Thus, it's not necessarily a power feat on Snoke's part.

That being said, the author intent here is obvious.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Honestly we're being really speculative here - we have no hard lower and upper limit to how strong he is relative to PT/OT characters.

It would be weird if a Skywalker of Ben's age and training were still weaker than, say, one of the B-team, so I think Snoke is solidly above Maul because I don't think Maul could ragdoll Kit Fisto and co.

Like I said, he may be more powerful than Maul in the Force, but that still wouldn’t mean he could take him in a fight. Because I’m guessing against a Force user of Maul’s caliber, he’s gonna need to have pretty good Saber skills, and not just rely on TK/FL.

E.g. how much of a chance do you think Dooku would have against Maul without a Saber?

Also Snoke never ragdolled Kylo in a fair confrontation. Only Rey who had raw power but clearly lacks mastery.

Yeah, it's obvious that Snoke is above Ben and Rey, just like it's made clear that Luke is also clearly above them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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The point is, then, that Rey was essentially helpless against Snoke. She was blatantly not prepared, nor did she use telekinesis to try to counter Snoke's attacks. Thus, it's not necessarily a power feat on Snoke's part.

That being said, the author intent here is obvious.

I guess we have no idea to whether Rey can put up Force barriers. I assumed she could because she seemed to have learned a bunch of Force abilities randomly, but ah well.

E.g. how much of a chance do you think Dooku would have against Maul without a Saber?

That's an interesting question. I think Dooku would stand a chance against TPM Maul but I don't think he could beat prime Maul unarmed, no.

But then again my Snoke = Dooku guess is just that, the only clear limit to me is that I'm 90% sure he's below Vader.

Originally posted by The Ellimist

But then again my Snoke = Dooku guess is just that, the only clear limit to me is that I'm 90% sure he's below Vader.

Oh yeah it’s all guesswork. But I think the majority of us realise he’s below Vader.

I didn't necessarily think that he was like "Vader omg wish I was him". Saw it more as a tool to control Ben.

Originally posted by samappo
I didn't necessarily think that he was like "Vader omg wish I was him". Saw it more as a tool to control Ben.

Yeah, it's still possible he's above Vader, but I don't see the evidence for it.

No, we don't have the evidence. All we may do is speculate until the novelisation or even 9 comes out....

Though I'm certain the novel is gonna provide us with new debating material concerning the power of Luke, Snoke, Ben and Rey.

Snoke is frail and physically inept as a combatant, that's his weakness. That's why he isn't taking Luke personally, that's why he needs guards to defend him. None of that however defines his power in the Force.

Apparently, despite whatever Force power he has, he's too stupid to survive a double cross that could never happen to him in like a million years you guyz.

What Kylo did was genius actually. It's also infinitely better than how Palpatine got off'd by Vader.

So what you're saying is that Snoke would defeat Palpatine in a saber fight?

How the hell did you reach that conclusion? Kylo used Snoke's own confidence in TP to allow Snoke to drop his guard.

Originally posted by AncientPower
How the hell did you reach that conclusion? Kylo used Snoke's own confidence in TP to allow Snoke to drop his guard.

He's a little too serious at times.

😂

I think what happened was an attempt to amplify Kylo's phrase: Let old things die/let the past die.

What do we get in TLJ? We have another 'emperor', who talks like the emperor ["It was I who" etc] same sort of settings, same looking guards, throne room etc. What Johnson did was take that, and remove it. Kylo says let old things die. Let these dark side users like the emperor and Snoke die, let's have a new villain, a different one. Let's show audiences a new diet emperor, then get rid of him in one quick stroke in the second movie of the trilogy.

I think Rian actually has the theme of the new trilogy as "Let the past die", it's painfully obvious in my eyes.

Originally posted by AncientPower
How the hell did you reach that conclusion? Kylo used Snoke's own confidence in TP to allow Snoke to drop his guard.

Originally posted by AncientPower
...also infinitely better than... Palpatine...

Originally posted by samappo
I think Rian actually has the theme of the new trilogy as "Let the past die", it's painfully obvious in my eyes.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning...

I'm being humble in my interpretation of the movie considering all the whack ideas that have been going around such as Snoke being the most powerful force user ever. With stupid logic used for that, there's no guarantee that people actually see the meanings of the movie. Just like people saying that Rey > Luke because of their little duel.

Originally posted by samappo
Someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning...

I'm being humble in my interpretation of the movie considering all the whack ideas that have been going around such as Snoke being the most powerful force user ever. With stupid logic used for that, there's no guarantee that people actually see the meanings of the movie. Just like people saying that Rey > Luke because of their little duel.

Did you know I have over 23,000 posts here over 12 years? Every single one of them is me not wasting my life arguing about a fandom that makes other people rich.

Between Dooku and Vader