Originally posted by Galan007
No.Spoiler:
Goku states that Broly is the most powerful opponent he has EVER fought, and even goes so far as to say that he might even be more powerful than Beerus.So no, Broly is definitely more powerful than Jiren... By a substantial margin.
Honestly, that tells me that
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Beerus could be above Broly, and is confirmed to be above Jiren.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZYeah. Sounds like the Beerus thing was kind of left open either way... Which is just ludicrous.
Honestly, that tells me thatSpoiler:
Beerus could be above Broly, and is confirmed to be above Jiren.
Though I would imagine that
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SSB Gogeta is beyond him for sure.
Originally posted by BentleyNo joke.
Frieza's durability shames everyone else's.
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SSJ Broly stomps the bejesus out of SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta effortlessly, to the point where each of them can barely even move, just before Goku ITs them from the field....Then Freeza endures a beating from that same Broly for like an hour without dying. His raw durability has always been greater than anyone else's in the franchise(pound for pound), but this is just incredible.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah. Sounds like the Beerus thing was kind of left open either way... Which is just ludicrous.Though I would imagine that
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SSB Gogeta is beyond him for sure.No joke.
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SSJ Broly stomps the bejesus out of SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta effortlessly, to the point where each of them can barely even move, just before Goku ITs them from the field....Then Freeza endures a beating from that same Broly for like an hour without dying. His raw durability has always been greater than anyone else's in the franchise(pound for pound), but this is just incredible.
Incredible is one word for it. Not the word I'd use.
Mr. "durability" didn't didn't look so hot against Toppo, Trunks, noob blue Goku,
Spoiler:. Why not.
but sure he lasts an hour against someone stronger then Jiren
You're the one gushing about Freeza's durability, while ignoring how bad that writing really is. Forgive me for calling a spade a spade, but I'm not impressed.
Nor am I impressed by "20 minute fights", if that's true. One of the worst scenes in Revenge of the Sith was Anakin and Obi Wan, which went on far too long, was mind numbingly boring, pointless, poorly choreographed..
Originally posted by Bentley
For a series as inconsistent as DB Frieza has proven to be a high durability character. Given how copy paste status are all over board in this series it does stand out as a rare trait.
Kind of. Being able to breath in space and survive in pieces makes him look like a monster.
Otoh, he also gets roughed up relatively easy, for an apex villain. Newbie SSJ Goku and Blue both had his number. He was one shot a few times, by Trunks and Goku (Though weakened in the second case.) And in the ToP, he only looked good against small fry, and a very weakened Jiren.
Overall, I can see the Deadpool reputation, but the fact is he's never really shown the capacity to stand against someone nearly at his level. Much less someone that's supposed to be the strongest thing ever BEFORE he reach's his Apex form.
And Estacado, that "stronger after the ToP" excuse only works if someone's a Saiyan. Goku and Vegeta narratively became stronger.
-Freeza goes from being WEAKER than he was on Namek, to being roughly on par with n00b-SSB Goku... Just by training for a couple months.
-Freeza then goes from being on par with n00b-SSB Goku, to being identically matched with SSB Goku just before the ToP... This is a Goku who had trained in the RoSaT for THREE dayS/yearS, and had received multiple zenkais from his battles in the U6v.s.U7 Tournament, and the Zamasu arc... Yet Freeza was able to increase his power by the same degree just by *thinking* about fighting Goku while he was bound in hell(he didn't even have to physically train.)
-Freeza then has some of the most intensive fights of his life during the ToP, and has had an undisclosed amount of time since the ToP to further bolster his powers in this film, yet I'm to think he has just inextricably...Plateau'd here? Give me a break.