The Last Jedi: The Worst Star Wars Movie Ever Made

Originally posted by MythLord
Honestly, audience scores are unreliable since a lot of people have extra accounts they use to bump up movies they like or rank down movies they dislike and a lot of people don't even have accounts.

The critics score is, imho, more important and valid.

Both are rather pointless. As Neph pointed out, review bombing is a thing and it pretty much invalidates any “audience score” nowadays. As for professional critics, I think they are pretty irrelevant. It’s what the fans think that matter, particularly with films like Star Wars.

Good points, Ares 👆

The critics score is more reliable than the audience score, certainly, but in RT's case it's still pretty useless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
idn't expect it to go anywhere near TFA due to the time gap in between films. What hurts it is the negative perception out there. It still earned the highest box office out of the entire year and you're not going to hit it out of the park every time at the box office.

I do agree that would be a nightmare for Infinity War but this didn't make under a billion either it made three hundred million more than a billion. Your expectations of box office success are too high IMO.

Yes but this isn't like Age of Ultron which only went down by $100mill world wide from Avengers1, despite most people seeing AOU as a vastly inferior film. It's a $700million drop.

If Infinity War has the same percentage drop from the last Avengers film then it would make under a billion. That's how large the drop off is with this.

Largest drop off for a Star Wars sequel, and lowest box office multiplier of any Star Wars film.

It's not about my expectations. It's about it's box office trajectory.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Only thing I worry about is the perception but I expect that to dissipate entirely by the time episode nine rolls around. There was a lot of hate for Into Darkness by a small contingent of Trekkers. I loved the film as do I love this film. It's my favorite Star Wars film to date after various rewatches. Rots still has the best action but to me this was the best film.

Well lets hope Episode 9 doesn't have the same drop off Star Trek Beyond had.

To be fair though, it's the end of the trilogy so will make more than TLJ.

Indeed, audience response to a given merchandise is what matters to the business. There haven't been so much negative feedback towards a SW film since AotC, it seems.

Regarding critics. They are often closed in their own little world too. They have subjective tastes and can be fanboys or be persuaded etc.

On top of that, I have seen criticis like Stuckmann (whom I respect a lot) being willingly ignorant of glaring mistakes in TLJ (opening the door to the vaccum of space to let Leia in). This is not a subjective value judgement, but a logical mistake that undermines the coherence of the movie. He did the same with The Dark Knight Rises, so there's that.

Bottom line is this:
Critics are no more objective than an average person, nor are they immune to the influence of the movie business. Actually, they are more exposed to it, for better and for worse. They just have a job and a set of skills that help them to analyze movies on various levels. But the more knowledge you have it is easier to dose it for those who do not possess it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
should just throw away the past for no reason in particular

THE PT jedi made a slew of mistakes resulting in their downfall. OT Luke realzined and defied one of the pt jedi's defining flaws:
"no love"
to redeem his father.

Quote me on "some of the worst dialogue in the series". Yoda's bit about masters, "let the past die", and luke's "I didn't fear it enough then" are some of the series' best lines.