How powerful is Jiren FACTS?

Started by KingD193 pages

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, judging by the fact sonar was used to predict their movements, that would make them sub sonic.

Thor's slower then light speed, but he's still much faster then street, imo.. He's blocked energy attacks from and dug trench's at super speed, for example.

He didn't fight against anyone using ultra instinct. So that doesn't
matter.

Originally posted by Galan007

-DBS ep. 05

Huh. Well for the sake of consistency I'll overlook it, since I'm a manga-only kind of guy, but... it's interesting to think that the fastest traveller in the known DB mythology is only ~600x faster than Saiyan Saga Goku, who went from King Kai's planet to earth in 28 hours.

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And, well, that's also pretty vastly slower than light, by the way...
Originally posted by KingD19
He didn't fight against anyone using ultra instinct. So that doesn't
matter.

Ultra Instinct only auto dodges, it doesn't make them any faster.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Huh. Well for the sake of consistency I'll overlook it, since I'm a manga-only kind of guy, but... it's interesting to think that the fastest traveller in the known DB mythology is only ~600x faster than Saiyan Saga Goku, who went from King Kai's planet to earth in 28 hours.

Spoiler:
And, well, that's also pretty vastly slower than light, by the way...
He didn't fly to earth, only the Check-In Station haha. What are you even talking about?

Accept it man. They are fast as Sh*t whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ultra Instinct only auto dodges, it doesn't make them any faster.

Not true. It seems to make them wayyyy faster. Look at Toppo and Dyspo. They couldn't even register his movements.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Huh. Well for the sake of consistency I'll overlook it, since I'm a manga-only kind of guy, but... it's interesting to think that the fastest traveller in the known DB mythology is only ~600x faster than Saiyan Saga Goku, who went from King Kai's planet to earth in 28 hours.

Spoiler:
And, well, that's also pretty vastly slower than light, by the way...
Again, Whis' speed isn't a constant.

For example, at his 'best'(ie. ep. 69) he was able to travel from Beerus' planet to earth in about 10 seconds -- he literally covered that distance in the time it took for Goku to say the syllables "KA-ME-HA-ME" as he was charging a Kamehameha against Arale. For a point of reference: in DBS ep. 23, Whis said that it would take him ~35 minutes to fly from Beerus' planet to earth.

IOW, he can fly hundredS of times faster when he needs to.

Also...Ultra Instinct auto dodges. Period. Thor can't hit him. His lightning can't hit him. How can he win?

Because he can't maintain it, and it has no answer to AOE attacks that aren't laser mazes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Because he can't maintain it, and it has no answer to AOE attacks that aren't laser mazes.

What do you mean he can't maintain it? Whis and all the Angels seem to have Ultra Instinct as a natural ability. It's not something that just runs out like with Goku.

And cdtm doesn't seem to realize that Thor gets hit by normal speed and slow people all the time. He's not some speed demon. He can be fast, but it's far and few between. On the other hand, you can't touch Whis. Period.

His answer for other attacks is to attack back, or use his speed and flight to move out of the way.

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I call Carver "Crazy Carv", SSJGogeta "Grumpy Al"... King, I think I'll call "Mad Hatter".

Cause kings wear a hat.

"Matt" for short.

Yo Matt. 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Huh. Well for the sake of consistency I'll overlook it, since I'm a manga-only kind of guy, but... it's interesting to think that the fastest traveller in the known DB mythology is only ~600x faster than Saiyan Saga Goku, who went from King Kai's planet to earth in 28 hours.

Spoiler:
And, well, that's also pretty vastly slower than light, by the way...

Goku only flew to the check-in station and was then teleported to Earth by Kami, you neanderthal.

Whiss flew to Earth from heaven in less than 3 minutes.

Even conceptually speaking, that sounds FTL. Not to mention that he flew across multiple hundreds of galaxies in just a few seconds when he fought the Minotaur guy. He waited for 2 minutes and 40 seconds according to Whiss, and then just popped up like it was the equivalent of a walk from his bed to his bedroom door, distance wise.

You're doing a bad job of lowballing here, dude. Not to mention that even back in the Saiyan saga, Goku was travelling Snake way while weakened and starving. His power has always been directly linked to how hungry/full he is. That entire feat is an outlier.

Not to mention that Goku has gone from planet busting in the Saiyan saga, to casual universe busting tiers in current. He's gotten infinitely stronger, to the point where Saiyan saga feats literally don't even matter anymore.

Saiyan saga Vegeta would have been considered among the highest of threat levels to the Justice League, or Avengers, and that level is literally not even on the radar of current DBS characters. You're intentionally lowballing, for God know's what reason, and it's destroying your credibility as a poster. Don't go down the same path as CDTM. It probably sucks to be treated as a joke by everyone- so I'd recommend you steer clear of posting idiocy on the level that he does.

At least Eternity/Infinity level. Maybe Abraxas or something