Originally posted by Pessimystic
KekLordOfTheLight's fantasy:
- Caedus tk'd half a million people.Reality:
- Forced 5 people to stumble backwards a bit.
I can hardly be blamed for the RT creator's ineptitude. Also, you don't want to start a mockery game with me.
For the record, did you know that Jacen as a 12 year old( ages approximately) was more powerful than an apprentice( Zekk) who could create weather storms with relative ease? Zekk is also a nobody, absolutely nothing in the hierarchy of Jedi in the NJO, both as an apprentice or a Jedi Knight, while Jacen is either described to be the most powerful apprentice or a Jedi in the order second only to Luke.
Or that Jacen as a 17/18 year old( decades pre-prime), was bringing down huge auditoriums/buildings/structures with Tk while simultaneously ragdolling scores of Vong?
By no means are his feats lacklustre, lmfao.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Scary. But yes, we can blame you for making a nonsense claim without doing so much as looking into it.
Nobody's perfect and this isn't a debate.
This also isn't nonsensical at all for someone on Caedus's level. I agree it would be kind of ridiculous if someone like Aayla Secura had done it, and I hadn't looked into it, but Jacen has better feats of power output as a teenager, half his age as Caedus. Not to mention scaling, as I said above.
So, when I find something like this, it strikes me as a decent feat for the character, but nothing too extraordinary. Nowhere even remotely close to "nonsense".
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
[B]Or that Jacen as a 17/18 year old( decades pre-prime), was bringing down huge auditoriums/buildings/structures with Tk while simultaneously ragdolling scores of Vong?
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For the record, did you know that Jacen as a 12 year old( ages approximately) was more powerful than an apprentice( Zekk) who could create weather storms with relative ease?
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Wasn't that a rage-amped Jacen?Wollf told me about that feat, but I never saw a quote IIRC. Also, he said that Zekk was the leader of a group who created weather storms, similar to Bane and the BoD in POD, though on a far smaller scale.
Also, wasn't that feat in YJK, which would Jacen at 14 years of age? Also, evidence for YJK Jacen > Zekk?
Not that I know of.
Not at all. Bane's was an intricate Sith ritual, combined with most of the BoD joined in their powers. In the case of Zekk, he( and a handful of other trainees) actively manipulated the weather via Alter Environment to create storms. Each of them supplied their own input of power in the manipulation of the weather. It is also pretty obvious that Zekk was supplying more than 99% of the power, since he was not at all strained in the slightest to create the storm, and when his attention was distracted, the other trainees completely lost control of the storm which dissipated almost immediately.
I remember seeing something like that addressed, however I would have to comb through YJK for it, which I don't particularly feel like doing. For now though, Jacen is clearly the top apprentice of Luke, in his teens and later years, and a Jedi second only to Luke in his late twenties. In comparison, Zekk is practically nowhere on the radar, at any point in time.
Do you at least know in which book the Zekk feat was?
And yeah, in later years Jacen is far beyond Zekk, but I was questioning YJK Jacen > Zekk, as IIRC both were ~ Jaina. Fair enough though.
Edit: Looking through the text, he seems to be pretty clearly rageamped, at least against Vergere, and iirc the Vong fight was directly afterwards.
He remembered a long gathering breath: inhaling a galaxy of hatred and rage--And he remembered channeling that whole galaxy of rage down his arms and hurling it at Vergere. He remembered watching her writhe in the electric arcs of his hatred: remembered the sizzle of his own hands burning as lightning burst through them: remembered how that pain had only fed his anger.[/U] And he remembered how good it had felt.…
Frustration had compounded Jacen's fury; he had thrown himself outward seeking power to do these creatures harm...
I think the last one, as Brakiss is defeated in the same book to my knowledge.
Ok then. NJO is pretty huge though, and I do recall statements of Jacen being stronger than ever in many books, so it's pretty possible he outgrew even the rage amp later on. I'll have to verify of course.
Can you tell me the novel the text is from?