Mace vs. Malgus

Uh-huh. Because they're all lesser than him anyway (save for Dooku who's a match for him), so what's Vaapad going to do for him there? It only scales him to the level of the opponent he's up against, or in other words nothing if those opponents are already weaker than or equal to him. As was the case with everyone he fought until Palpatine.

So he more or less just relied on his own skill in those fights. Which makes sense given he routed Ventress pretty quickly and matched Dooku.

So I assume the Kar Vastor fight where he nearly died was him scaling up to any opponent sub-Sheev?

Wasn't he injured and not at his best in that fight? Because we know that's not a reliable indicator of anything unless we now have Kar Vastor well above Dooku.

Regardless, the RotS novel also tells us that he learned from his experiences in Shatterpoint and harnessed Vaapad more properly, so to speak, from then on. So it could well be that he had simply been imperfect up to Shatterpoint, and no longer so after that. I assume that we are using RotS Mace here, of course.

It's implied to be the opposite because he's trying his utmost to save Depa Billaba, so I'm not entirely convinced of that.

Shatterpoint also features Mace struggling to lift a small transport at some point, does it not? So Mace definitely hasn't been operating at his peak throughout.

RotS establishes that he's improved since then anyway, so once again your criticism isn't a valid one for RotS Mace.

Originally posted by Azronger
Mace stomps