High Meta Tourney Semi-Finals - Supermutant vs Damborg
Rules:
No prep
Standard Equipment
BFR with no possibility of returning in a reasonable time is a loss
Opening + 2 posts
Posters are in full control of the characters
Battleground:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/07/28/nyregion/00orthodox4/00orthodox4-superJumbo.jpg
Damborg opening post:
Ahhhh, I have to say it feels good to get a favorable battlefield. Thanks to Supermutant for agreeing to the battlefield switch. I'm not able to access Jenny's power almost in their entirety. It's very useful given my opponent. Mr. Sinister is not to be taken lightly. Unless you're using Jenny Sparks.
I want us to take another look at the battlefield.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/07/28/nyregion/00orthodox4/00orthodox4-superJumbo.jpg
Those power lines give Jenny one of her biggest advantages. She's able to turn into an energy form, but without a conductor of some sort, she's limited to a few moments in her electrical form.
The instant the battle commences, I'm in the wires. Jenny Sparks is the spirit of the 20th century, and electricity is her domain. Assuming my opponent does what I think he's going to do, start the battle with a vicious mindrape, he'll have to look for an opponent who has become one with the electricity around her, and then pry into my mind and try to shut me down. Which sounds more likely? I'd argue my tactic, given I'm simply using an ability where there's a very clear and obvious source of conductivity for me.
Here's where we get to the extra fun part. I'm about to one shot Mr. Sinister.
Jenny Sparks estimates that her travel time from New York to Louisiana would be about 10 minutes.
According to some rudementary calculations on my part, she'd be moving at a MINIMUM of mach 18. Or about 13,800 miles per hour. She's moving in her electrical form, she doesn't need a charge up, she doesn't need a second to start, she's just moving, and I'm moving right at Sinister's face. I'm traveling so fast, that before Sinister can realize what happened, he'll be savagely electrocuted. Mr. Sinister sports a very high end healing factor, so I'd face difficulties if all I could do what attack his outer shell. But I don't have to do that, all I have to do is go into the wires, and shoot out as speeds he simply doesn't have the feats to counter.
And that was without a proper conductor like I have on the battlefield. It will be over more than quick.
But wait, how do I know that that attack can do the trick? Because it already has, and with much less energy use:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GUhn5ZdU_W0/VNxZW3IWG3I/AAAAAAAH_V4/mIntMH_ODko/s1600/p82_10.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zcAVqZXBRbY/VNxZZdxDjGI/AAAAAAAH_WY/YhC0OfieFl0/s1600/p82_16.jpg
Sinister has proven to be vulnerable to an attack to the brain through electrical means. Hello! That's what I am all about 👆
Let's say sinister, knowing that I need the environment to use most of my abilities, decides to destroy the landscape. Game over.
If at any point, I see that Sinister has not focused on me, or I can get even a brief look at him, I am able to manipulate the electricity in his brain, and produce the same result that Storm did. This is not a reach, this is not a stretch, my character literally has the abilities that have on panel brought down Sinister.
Jenny Sparks' reaction speed is also insane:
She can point blank dodge psychokinetic bolts. Batallion fired what he described as his suit amplifying his talents to allow him to fire his mind at Jenny through his guns. He was firing at the speed of thought.
But hey, what if Sinister actually tries to get fancy? What if he tries to hide from me, escape by one method or another and try to find my mind? That can't happen, because he's not fast enough to do it before I shoot out at Mach 18 and fry him, but I'll humor it.
Well first off, all electricity is open for Jenny Sparks. It's literally her thing, so the signals in Sinister's brain are fair game to be detected, the same way she can detect and use a radio in a house she's never been in, or draw energy from a generator not immediately available.
I can do a hell of an AOE:
I've got power to spare. With that form, Jenny grew to the size of a skyscraper, and disrupted anything electrical, including Mr. Sinister's Electrical Signals. Except with that much power, I can simply blow up his head.
Now, any and all TP arguments are also going to be under heavy strain. Jenny isn't a traditional fleshy brain to stick your dirty mental fingers in. She's energy. To assault her in her energy form, would require on panel evidence. Not only assault her in her energy form, but to do so at the speeds I'm moving, under the threat of getting one shot from an on panel weakness? Not going to happen.
Supermutant opening post:
I would say that Jenny Sparks isn't getting through my shields, but I think that you get the picture.
Or should I say pictures, plus even w/out shields,
her lightning doesn't even tickle me from point blank range.
Jenny Sparks is very dangerous but two main things will lead to her defeat in this match.First, she has no feats of resisting telepathy, especially against a psychic on the level of Mr. Sinister. Secondly, Sinister has blocked/tanked/shielded from Storm’s powerful lightning and electrical attacks many times.
So Jenny is powerful therefore I’m not playing around with Damborgson. Match starts and my shield is up, then immediately Jenny takes a nap. Mr Sinister uses telepathy to put her to sleep just like he did with Domino, Caliban, Siryn, and others below. Notice how quickly they go to sleep and how Sinister can affect multiple people simultaneously.
https://i.imgur.com/eAEvIi8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HsIJpJf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c8wQGWs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/caPgftk.jpg
A third key point is that Jenny starts this match in human form. Meaning she definitely can be, and has been put to sleep against her will.
https://i.imgur.com/ohAdlDh.jpg
But even as electricity she has to think, so Sinister can definitely affect her mentally.
https://i.imgur.com/LMdwOYt.jpg
Sinister has shut down the powers of Sunspot who was in his solar energy form and attempted to blitz Sinister.
https://i.imgur.com/JF7Xivt.jpg
Sinister has easily stopped Malice in Polaris’ body in mid blitz while she was bloodlusted by using TK to hold and bound her effortlessly.
https://i.imgur.com/ZMGiEQ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EiBfsDP.jpg
He also was able to grab hold of the intangible spirit form of Malice and destroy her.
https://i.imgur.com/nmWCKYP.jpg
So Jenny even in her briefly used energy form would still be subjected to Sinister’s attacks especially his TP and TK. But really she would never get the chance to go through a power line a light post or anything like that, because she will be dreaming.
Counters to Damborgson’s shocking plan:
I’m pretty sure my opponent will go for a quick draw brain scramble using this scan of Storm.
https://i.imgur.com/38ndnRI.jpg
However, evidence suggest that the Sinister, Storm defeated was only an empty shell clone. Because there appeared to be 2 Sinisters in 2 different locations. Furthermore, that Sinister never directly attacked the X-Men for the whole issue (Wolverines #6). He was only interested in getting Logan’s skeleton, so he never engaged in tp, tk, or used any of his other powers except in defense. After Storm attack that Sinister, he was quickly back to normal and initiated a system override of his security system. So it appears that “brain scramble” was just a momentary stun at best not even enough for a forum ko. So that whole issue is very suspect with contradicting panels and really isn’t proof or anything other than horrible editing. Plus Lady Deathstrike would never be able to physically hurt the true Sinister, nor could he be rebooted like a computer system.
https://i.imgur.com/l7n4zgN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oibtfE2.jpg
And my opponent will probably post high showings of Jenny where she uses much more than an average NY City block of power. Plus external energy attacks are pretty useless against the Sinister being used in this tourney. Because he has total cellular structure control, shapeshifting, a healing factor that’s better than Wolverine’s and shields. He has outright tanked Storm’s powerful lightning many times at point blank range in addition to other beams like from Havok, Cyclops, Dazzler, Iceman, Sunspot, etc.
Just in case my opponent tries the "zip around the battlefield I'm too fast argument." Sinister is capable of using super speed as well, not that he needs it most of the time.
https://i.imgur.com/KUFFkBQ.png
In Summary for my OP:
1. TK Shield that has withstood many energy attacks, especially from Storm.
2. Nap time from TP which Jenny has no defense from, even as living electricity.
3. Storm has never affected Sinister through his shields, and her brain scrambling feat is highly questionable as it may not have even been the real Sinister.
4. Jenny has never brain scrambled someone through their shields.
5. Sinister can pretty much tank all her external attacks with his healing factor, shape shifting, and complete cellular structure control.
There is really only one outcome here.
As expected, you're a powerful guy. At first look one might event think the scans are relevant. But I'd like to bring up the cliche, quantity does not equal quality. Jenny doesn't have a lot of showings, but the one she does have, are enough to beat what's been presented here.
Let me explain:
Sinister did what I expected him to do more or less, attack psychically. Except, instead of doing it FIRST, he decides to shield himself before beginning his attack, in anticipation of an attack that will lay him out. It's a strange tactic for someone so sure that Jenny can't hurt him. Luckily, I never argued my external damage would be any part of my plan. So the first couple scans, while impressive aren't relevant. AND he makes a fatal mistake. There's now no doubt whatsoever that I avoid his mental assault and shoot out at around Mach 18 while he's putting his shields up. I have scans proving I can move at around 13800mph through conductors, and scans that prove I can shoot out and fry his brain before he even registers what's happening to him. He does not have scans proving he has the ability to deal with that kind of speed.
I find this scan Supermutant posted, pretty damn funny:
https://i.imgur.com/KUFFkBQ.png
Because Sinister moved in blurry motions, Supermutant thinks that he's on par with Jenny's speed? 😂 Unless he just grabbed quicksilver by the neck, we're talking whole different levels.
Earlier I showed Jenny dealing with Battalion, whose attack were literally moving at the speed of thought by his own admission, and Jenny being able to adequately move out of the way in short range:
But get this. Now it's important to note, that Batallion isn't a normal human in his speed levels or thought processing. AND he's wearing armor that enhances him.
Look how fast Battalion is when he doesn't have his armor:
https://i.imgur.com/s3d4zC8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s0gX0DC.jpg
Straight up reacts to bullets after they're fired, and deflects them with his tk.
vs Jenny Sparks
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VOL61wAYHzs/WRstItUBdAI/AAAAAAADuLI/Lbs7e9pju7EOz3D_p9cl9_dhO_UFY24dgCLcB/s1600/091_010.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7uA3OiMFZJY/WRstIhRQquI/AAAAAAADuLE/V3FDrt4kfC4JXsq0cnHJvHYU5uTbSlkiACLcB/s1600/091_011.jpg
She's far and away superior.
Next, the shield scans he posted, while impressive once again, also do not counter attacks of the nature that he's going to be subjected to. I see lightning, energy, ice, teleKINETIC bolts, which are not the same as a telepathic assault. He's not preventing anyone from attacking his mind, he's just stopping the physical assault. Not that Jenny needs to attack his mind, she's going to fry it with his own electricity. So feats of resisting mental assaults or matching well with telepaths? Utterly irrelevant.
Jenny Sparks' control over electricity it total. There's no debate to be had there, and the extent to which she can use it is enough to blow up Sinister's head.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Carrier
The carrier that the Authority works in is 50 miles long , 35 miles high and 2 miles wide. This is going to be important because if you all remember the feat I posted in the previous battlezone, I talked about how Jenny fried the mind of "god" and LoB said something about it just being your average alien. Well:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iYnHyWFw7N4/VgIddbqmNwI/AAAAAAAQQno/EsoSYJ-A_5g/s1600/v1_12_01.jpg
The carrier is dwarfed by even the veins of that alien. (Called "God" multiple times by the way)
and what happens when the carrier gets to the brain?
https://i.imgur.com/OQtTnxY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6QKgqkS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7iIxiqj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/46jdIXR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bcXfXFR.jpg
That's power. Note, the dimensions here were so enormous, that the carrier was easily MILES away from the brain itself. And Jenny killed it with a LOOK. You can see clearly in the scan, one panel her eyes flare, the other panel, the brain explodes. AND to top it off, and this is sweet, she was dying. 🙂 So she was weakening. She's the spirit of the 20th century, and the 20th century was ending.
If Jenny can detonate the mind of God, whiles miles away, while dying, with a look, what's going to happen to Sinister? I'm going to pop his head open. And that's just by manipulating the electricity in his own brain, let alone the electricity I've absorbed as I hurtle at him 18 times the speed of sound, which is confirmed that she can do once more again here:
https://imgur.com/8C8UzM8
10 minutes from New York to Louisiana, and I'm being conservative in my speed estimates. It's likely around mach 20.
And this is literally how a casual Jenny enters a conduit:
https://i.imgur.com/gvGmP4O.jpg
You're not detecting anything before I fry you, ESPECIALLY because Supermutan't strategy is not an initial direct attack on my mind. He decides to play defense to start, and it's going to doom him.
Why?
1. With the speeds I've displayed, I can take him out before that shield even forms.
2. Even if the shield forms, WHICH IT CAN'T. I have shown how fast Jenny is and I would have him out before the shield was even up, I can control the electricity in his brain and kill him before he even registers. Or at least I assume having his brain explode would kill him, healing factor or not. And his shields have not shown the ability to counter my ability.
3. Sinister isn't tracking anything in my energy form lol. He'd have to search for my mind, while I am moving at sound dwarfing speeds, which he has not displayed. AND, I don't have a traditional mind for him to lock on to as I am in energy form.
4. The sunspot scan is not the same type of energy form as Jenny Sparks. I'm a bolt of lightning moving from conduit to conduit, not Sunspot's essentially human anatomy. It's apples and oranges. Not to mentiong, lmao, BLITZ? You call that a blitz?
"Flight: Sunspot has the ability to fly by propelling himself through the air, by force of will, by generating thermal updrafts. Bobby has also refined this ability to be able to hover in the air without leaving a heat trail, and can reach speeds of up to 150 mph maximum without over exerting himself."
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/sunspot/4005-4644/
And that's with build up. These feats are not relevant to Jenny Sparks.
5. Sinister has already been fried with my style of attacks:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GUhn5ZdU_W0/VNxZW3IWG3I/AAAAAAAH_V4/mIntMH_ODko/s1600/p82_10.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zcAVqZXBRbY/VNxZZdxDjGI/AAAAAAAH_WY/YhC0OfieFl0/s1600/p82_16.jpg
Supermutant claims that it's possible not Sinister, to which I say, that possible should not be enough to discredit it being Sinister, given he was called Sinister, and it was never shown definitively that it wasn't. He'd need to offer more than speculation, of which I saw no scans that say otherwise. BUT EVEN IF IT WASN'T , it does not matter. For all intentions and purposes, it's Sinister, but in the strange case that it wasn't, his brain is still going to explode.
So here's how the fight plays out:
-Ding ding-
Jenny: I shoot through the power lines at 18 times the speed of sound, as shown by my scans and blow his head off.
Sinister: Attempts to raise his shields, then mount a telepathic assault on a creature of energy that's zipping around faster than his greatest speed feats permit him to counter.
In the case that I cannot get to him in time, somehow(?) I have proven to be able to disable opponents with a glare, and given my vastly superior speed, I have proven to be able to get my attack off FIRST, meaning I can brain fry before he can look for me, detect me, and then invade my mind.
It's just common sense, Jenny is going to win. But for simplicity's sake, I've gone to the trouble of putting the fight in comic form:
As a side note, I also found it interesting that Sinister recovering was brought up? Okay lol, as if I'd stop shocking him until his brain exploded 👆
(Lightning) bug on a wind(shield)
Damborgson plan is basically Jenny zipping around like a bug heading directly into a windshield. And we all knows what comes next. SPLAT
YouTube video
Except splat here is that she is koed from the impact and/or shifts back to human form.
This next scan really ends this battle. Here is further proof that Jenny can’t get through my shields to even have the possibility of scrambling my brain, as the Weatherman’s brain was totally shielded from her. Which makes Damborgson entire strategy useless.
https://i.imgur.com/B1GBPGz.jpg
Moreover, my tk shield can be used offensively as well. Meaning it’s more than just the impact of the shield that will make Jenny go splat.
https://i.imgur.com/Iu5c5Oj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/V6gTrT4.jpg
So my initial plan is completely intact, everything is going just like I predicted in my OP.
Damborgson stated:
She can point blank dodge psychokinetic bolts. Batallion fired what he described as his suit amplifying his talents to allow him to fire his mind at Jenny through his guns. He was firing at the speed of thought.
Besides she has been hit by bullets, tranquilizers, and even hand thrown projectiles many times. Which is really a lot given her few appearances.
From jobber nazi soldiers:
https://i.imgur.com/1hXAae2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R8GXwdN.jpg
By an old human man who basically killed her:
https://i.imgur.com/6DBdgNe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R8veZPD.jpg
To being out-reacted by a human attacker while under a freaking street light:
https://i.imgur.com/FR17exg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dXrrwkG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DobNum8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I9L5jyR.jpg
Bottom line is that Jenny gets out-reacted all the time by humans. Surely I can shield myself and telepathically put her 2 sleep, before a human can punch her plus throw needles at her while she is standing under a street light.
Meanwhile Sinister can take a psychic ambush from Emma Frost, plus a simultaneous lightning attack from Storm channeled through her special weapon with no lasting damage. Plus he can withstand another desperate and powerful blast of lightning w/out shielding.
There’s one major difference between Jenny and Storm which is also another huge point that my opponent cannot counter. Storm actually has tp resistance feats while Jenny has 0, none, nill, nada, zilch, and nothing . As a matter of fact for a non-psychic, Storm probably have the best tp resistance feats of any character in her tier.
1. Storm is wanting Jean to psychically taste some ice-cream she is eating. Her response is that there's too much "static" in Storm's brain. "It's the electrical forces that you [Storm] control. They prevent any deeper probes." It also shows that this is a passive ability that's always working.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387675-8823302158-27162.jpg
2. Shadow King a powerful physic. Storm states, "the static in my mind has held the Shadow King at bay before." And we see the evidence of that.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387677-5280612138-27162.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387678-8526996028-Night.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387679-1746751610-Night.jpg
3. Storm creates a lightning field around Rachel that scrambles her powers.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387683-2778117623-27162.jpg
4. Psylocke-even the previously mentioned Rachel can't stand up to her tk. One guess as to who can?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387686-7368299026-27162.png
5. After a battle with Bogan, who was utilizing Rachel as his slave in an astral form, Storm allowed him to enter her mind before supercharging herself with lightning, destroying him.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387688-8002313799-27162.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387689-5657141028-27162.jpg
6. Pro X. "When your power's active like this, the feedback becomes quite painful."
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387690-6285935075-27162.jpg
7. But notice that Emma got the first attack in and Storm was still able to resist. It was too late to activate her defense to TP unless it was already on.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387614-0267562525-27162.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387621-9466587414-27162.jpg
Storm has resisted the best TP/TK users in Marvel, but Mr. Sinister has always been able to put the mental whammy on her w/out any difficulty.
Sinister was about to eat her spirit literally in the astral plane until she was momentarily saved.
https://i.imgur.com/91ciqHP.jpg
Here he completely freezes her alone with Namor and Magik with TP.
https://i.imgur.com/OJPgUNy.jpg
And again mentally stuns her along with Iceman, Archangel, Cyclops, and Wolverine making them all collapse on their knees in pain. And threatening to make them mindless drones.
https://i.imgur.com/PaCmXJk.jpg
Sinister can do all that to Storm who has many consistent on panel feats of resisting the best tp/tk users in Marvel. So does anyone know what chance Jenny has against his tp/tk when she has absolutely no feats of any telepathic resistance?
Damborgson’s goofy math vs Sinister’s history of having no troubles owning those who have attempted to blitz him.
1. My opponent relies on travel speed and tries to equate that with combat speed. Remember she has been unable to dodge normal bullets, and even hand thrown projectiles from humans.
2. Malice in Polaris body, Sunspot, and Cannonball have all attempted to use speed to either blitz or get away from Sinister. And he has owned them all without any difficulty. Below, Cannonball and Iceman had just grabbed Destiny’s diaries and were fleeing from the Mauraders being severely outnumbered. In other words they were going at their top speed. And not only did Sinister use TK to stop them, he 1-shotted them both in the process.
Cannonball can fly as fast as jet speed including Mach 18, and has out-reacted Quicksilver as a kid. So, Sinister has out-reacted Cannonball who has out-reacted Quicksilver as a kid. Speed is not an issue in this match at all.
https://i.imgur.com/akLL22T.jpg
So Jenny’s speed blitz will actually hurt her remember my bug vs windshield example above. Furthermore, the Sinister used in this tourney has always been able to attack those with super speed and has super speed reactions himself. As he was able to grab John Sublime before any of Sublime’s guards could react, although they surrounded Sinister with weapons lock and loaded.
https://i.imgur.com/C2PJqYT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KUFFkBQ.png
Damborgson stated:
Let's say sinister, knowing that I need the environment to use most of my abilities, decides to destroy the landscape. Game over.
I agree game over for you, because that tactic works also. And one that is easily accomplished with Sinister’s teleportation. I can stay behind my shield and teleport all the powerlines, cars, etc to the frozen tundra of the wilderness in Alaska. Plus if Jenny is zipping between power lines or something electrical, she gets to go alone for the ride and the BFR.
Well here since Sinister can teleport a large museum then he should have no problems with a couple of powerlines, cars, street lights, etc. And he is fast enough to teleport after a bullet has been fired from point blank range.
https://i.imgur.com/wzRHzEq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/S2YV2PD.jpg
As a matter of fact the Doctor has bfr her effortlessly, and she didn’t even realize it until she was at the airport of a different location.
https://i.imgur.com/SvNOyRY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EEkFCZS.jpg
Similarly, Sinister can do the same with a larger group.
https://i.imgur.com/OJbvUEQ.jpg
Damborgson stated:
To assault her in her energy form, would require on panel evidence.
Not really, but I’ll give you some anyway. Also, there is no special tp/tk protection for Jenny in energy form, that’s why my opponent have yet to show any. Jenny and her whole team in the Authority used radio-TELEPATHY for silent communications to each other. Not only that but Jenny used it often in energy form. Telepathy can and has consistently affected her in energy form, she has no inherent or special protection against it.
https://i.imgur.com/mAjnQKg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VzEqDM8.jpg
The Not So Shocking Conclusion:
My Shields are still up.
Jenny becomes a bug on a windshield.
Her all or nothing brain scramble attack has been shielded on panel.
Leaving her with zip, zilch, nada, nil, zero, and nothing.
Which is exactly how many times she has resisted telepathy in any form.
Meaning sweet dreams.
[b]Damborg final post:
Okay time to wrap this up. Thanks for the match Supermutant, I've never dedicated this much time to a BZ. But I'm going to finish this up now.
I'll start be recapping Supermutant's strategy.
1. Shields up.
2. Psychic attack.
3. Teleport the neighborhood if he can't catch me. (which he can't do, since he's only been proven to be able to teleport a museum, not a whole block, regardless we'll get back to this in a moment)
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My Plan
1. I already provided earlier evidence showcasing how quick Jenny is. From New York to Louisiana in 10 minutes, as show on panel. That means, AT THE LOWEST, I'm traveling 13,800 mph. Or 18 times the speed of sound. But just looking at that number, it can be a bit daunting so let's break it down.
At that speed, Jenny can Travel 230 miles per minute, and to break it down further, that's about 4 miles per second. So even at his quickest, saying Sinister activates his shielding in a 1/3 of a second, in the time it takes for him to do so, I'd have traveled a mile. These aren't kiddy speeds, I'm going to swamp him. And get this, being able to catch someone moving at undisclosed speeds doesn't mean that character, gets the actual reaction timing necessary to deal with them.
Here's what I mean:
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...82322-2we1..jpg
Aquaman straight up lands a charging right hand on Superman. Does that mean AM is now flash level more or less? Obviously not.
Or here:
http://i.imgur.com/LT2RuV6.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...489354-hyp3.jpg
Hyperion has straight up nano second reaction time. And because Thor landed on him, he gets nano second reaction time? No, that's now how it works in comics and it certainly does not work here in a Battlezone. The speeds that canonball has displayed may be great, but he was not moving at them in those scans as evidenced by Sinister being able to get off dialogue without Canonball moving more than a few meters.
https://i.imgur.com/Gt4YhFPl.jpg
As mentioned, they don't get their top speed feats when they're countered and have it applied as their baseline so that Sinister can attempt to out react Jenny Sparks. Because Jenny Sparks isn't bound by the plot of the comic, but by my will, and my strategy is to have her hit him at mach 18 from the get go, as she herself has stated to be capable of. Supermutant calling them my "goofy numbers" is Ad Hominem once he's seen that he may actually be in trouble.
Also this: https://i.imgur.com/akLL22T.jpg is straight up called a sucker shot. Even a quick sucker shot, is not on the level of the speed I've displayed.
Note, I don't need to remind anyone of this, but I'm pointing out that because of how Supermutant has brought up low showings, that this is not a normal comic VS thread where that argument may fly. AND not only that, he's talking about Jenny in HUMAN FORM. At that point have I ever mentioned that Jenny will be in human form, other than the first fraction of a millisecond of the match, which Sinister uses to attempt to shield himself? Had he attacked straight away, MAYBE he'd have interrupted my thoughts to catch me, but he didn't. and there's no changing that now.
So match starts, and Sinister, with no adequate speed feats to prove otherwise, gets fried by Jenny is essentially moving about 1.3miles every third of a second, in a New York City Block lol.
2. My Death Glare
Supermutant has brought up Weatherman as an indicator that Sinister's shielding would be able to block out Jenny's mental interfering:
http://replygif.net/i/1403.gif
That. Is. Desperate. Why? Because that device weatherman is using was specifically made for that, as per his own scan lol.
https://i.imgur.com/Oduz6on.jpg
Those devices on his head are what do it, that IS NOT THE SAME THING AS AN EXTERIOR SINISTER SHIELD. and is not a transferable feat for him. That is a Weatherman exclusive feat, and this is what it got him in the end:
https://i.imgur.com/6SkBGY1.jpg
And squirm as much as he has, trying to say that it wasn't Sinister, trying to imply that it was a low showing or it wasn't adequate for a KO, these scans are still canon to Sinister:
https://i.imgur.com/4rTFk2F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dowiFwo.jpg
I've heard a lot of maybe's and not a lot of confirmation. So until I see "wow that wasn't Sinister" it was Sinister and he'd got an explicit weakness to one of my characters' main attacks.
Plus to reiterate the point:
https://i.imgur.com/46jdIXR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bcXfXFR.jpg
A dying Jenny can manipulate the neural energy of "God" from miles away with a look. Sinister doesn't have the feats to counteract that type of attack, quite the contrary, he's been put down by much less. And that's not me picking a low showing, it's the same exact type of attack I'm using in the battlezone, so why wouldn't it work? Dunno, Supermutant can't seem to come up with a reason...maybe because it will work?
3. I win. That's the end of the match, as my first tactic will win me the day, and my second tactic, if needed, secures it. There's been no adequate reasoning as to why they wouldn't and detailed my reasoning for that as well.
So let's address some stuff that sounds good from Supermutant but won't be happening in the match.
Irrelevant material
A. Sinister's superiority in a psychic battle.
Lol? Yes, Sinister is superior in a psychic battle. That much has been proven. I never once argued against it because I was well aware of the fact before I entered the match. BUT as I've shown, my quickfire, is better than his. So his powerful mind will be short circuiting blown to bits instead of attacking mine.
B. Sinister's exterior durability/Sinister’s Shields
You'll notice once again that I never attempted to attack Sinister's exterior form, despite multiple counter scans wasted by Supermutant. I'm well aware I can't hurt him enough from the outside, I'm attacking him on the inside, where he has on panel vulnerability to my unique abilities.
Not to mention, I’m never touching that shield, but posting scans of how it can shock a flesh and blood sabretooth, are not useful towards any of the arguments I made, because that’s not even apples and oranges that’s not like rice cakes and big macs. They’re not relevant to each other.
C. Sinister can teleport me.
I mentioned earlier that posting a building being teleported does not equal to being able to teleport a city block, in the same way that having super strength doesn't mean you're as strong as Thor. Right? Well despite his no limit fallacy, Jenny does indeed have a counter that I'd like to post in order to humor him.
It's called that little 50 mile long carrier I posted about earlier, and it's standard equipment for Jenny as the scans will explain:
https://i.imgur.com/KNvxL8N.jpg
It exists outside of reality, and it's always there for Jenny to use as she showed throughout her whole time in the authority, regardless of who was with her or where she was.
I can teleport anywhere and back, and I can do it quick enough so that it's not a BFR. And it works both ways, because in order to return to the carrier, you guessed, it you have to teleport. So wherever Jenny is she can say "Door" and a door opens, and then I return to the battle field.
"Oh but the doctor teleported her human form!"
First off, the Doctor >> Sinister
https://i.imgur.com/CBmhOlv.jpg
But that's neither here nor there. What is here however is that I can teleport anywhere, so even BFR, not that he'll have a chance to fire it off, will not work.
https://i.imgur.com/GSBkNWb.jpg
She has to be able to return from the Doctor's dimension, and she'd return from anywhere else Sinister would take her.
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And that's about it. I think I've made my case for why I think I'll come out with the win.
I'll bring up a few more points just to hammer it home:
I've proven that I'm faster, I really have. Here's what a mild speed advantage looks like in the real world:
Imagine when I'm moving at about 1.3 miles every 1/3 of a second? In New York City Block that can't measure more than
"The standard block in Manhattan is about 264 by 900 feet (80 m × 274 m); and in some U.S. cities standard blocks are as wide as 660 feet (200 m)"
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...1.0.Klddiugk1R8
if we were at the ENDS of it, which we're not. So I'm going to zap him. Supermutant wants to brush it under the rug and call it "travel speed" lol. As if Jenny didn't already have the feats of doing exactly what I showed she's going to do:
https://i.imgur.com/R5ityQh.jpg
It's not just moving around, I'm coming right at his head, minus the bounce, and I'm coming faster than he proved he can react.
So then, I've also proven my attacks work on him, and while he's trying to find a being moving around quicker than anything he's ever been able to prove he can locate on panel, all I need is a look and I can activate the death glare.
Sinister can hurt my mind. He's too tough for me to argue that I can put him down from the outside, and he can heal very quick.
But I can damage his brain, and I can do it before even knows what happened. And I provided the scans to prove it.
This is my victory. Thanks for reading!
Supermutant final post:
“I know to play it safe around power lines,” and not mess around which has been my plan from the beginning. Too put it as simple as possible Shield plus Sleep for my opponent.
Now to sure some things up. My shield is a 360 degree bubble. Plus I can use teleportation while inside of my shield as well. So I have additional ways to win even if for some odd reason, my initial plan didn’t work.
Damborgson wrote:
Because Sinister moved in blurry motions, Supermutant thinks that he's on par with Jenny's speed? Unless he just grabbed quicksilver by the neck, we're talking whole different levels.
Although Sinister has never fought Quicksilver, he has out-reacted a max speeding Cannonball and a blitzing Polaris as seen in my previous post. Both of them has out-reacted Quicksilver, see below as Polaris with her back turn stops Quicksilver in mid-blitz.
https://i.imgur.com/yyAl8te.png
So Damborgson doesn’t offer any evidence of Sinister getting blitz, but instead determines Jenny travel speed based on funny math lol. Moreover, his faulty figures doesn’t even show her long it takes her to go from human form to energy, and then enter a power line. Remember Judges this is his plan:
So here's how the fight plays out: -Ding ding- Jenny: I shoot through the power lines at 18 times the speed of sound, as shown by my scans and blow his head off.
He forgot that Jenny must turn into energy and then enter a power line first. That is more than enough time for Sinister to shield himself and put her to sleep. Remember he put Caliban to sleep while Caliban was in mid sentence talking with just a look, put Siryn to sleep before she could speak, and put Domino to sleep before she could pull the trigger with her gun already being lock, loaded, and pointed at him.
Meanwhile a normal human punched Jenny and threw needles at her while she was under a street light, before she could change into electricity.
Plus because she is flying right into my invisible TK shield, her speed will actually hurt her. Probably knocking her out, or at the very least stunning her and reverting her back to human form. But even as electricity she has no immunity to tp/tk, and I don’t need to search for her as Damborgson’s plan is to came right at me, much to my amusement.
My opponent also mentioned blowing up my brain, as if Sinister hasn’t defeated an opponent without a head. Since we have the same judges here no need to show those scans again, but also Bishop blasted a huge hole completely thru Sinister’s head, and Sinister immediately responded by choking and tossing him. Sinister has instant regeneration and complete cellular structure control, so blowing up his brain wouldn’t even slow him down.
Damborgson attempts to makes a big deal about Jenny controlling electricity from that featless non-fighting alien thing. But she is limited to only 1 average NY City block of electricity for this battle. Black Lightning, Berserker, Livewire, Electro, anyone who controls electricity could have done the same. While her teammates provided cover, all she did was manipulate electricity that’s like getting excited because Hydro-man made waves in the ocean. The huge alien thing offered no resistance itself and only had more featless and jobber parasites trying to stop the Authority, who had no problems defeating them.
Now, the below article written on June 6, 2015, is about Wolverines #6. It also states that the Sinister, Storm fought and “brain scrambled” was a clone.
https://shadowandflamewithmagik.com/2015/06/06/wolverines-6/
Which only makes sense seeing as how Bishop can blow his brains out and Sinister still be unharmed. Also makes sense as only robots, androids, cyborgs, computer systems, and tech can be reactivated and rebooted.
https://i.imgur.com/oibtfE2.jpg
So there is much evidence suggesting that Sinister brain has never been scrambled, and that it wouldn’t stop him anyway. But there is uncontroverted and undeniable on panel proof of Jenny’s brain scramble attack being shielded against. It’s worth showing again b/c both of Damborgson’s attacks were shielded against of either entering my brain and blowing it up, or shutting down my brain’s electrical impulses. So he can do neither and there’s goes his only chance, provided that he’s not already asleep which he would be.
https://i.imgur.com/B1GBPGz.jpg
Good match Damborgson but you snooze, you lose.
Ok. First and foremost, I would just like to say that THIS match, is utter tripe compared to some of the other matches we've had in this tourney.
Now that I've gotten that out of the way...
As with threads of this ilk, speed is obviously key. Damborg convinced me that he is much faster - unfortunately, Supermutant's scans are all of the ABC variety. By that I mean, they rely on Sinister's showings against other characters, and scale off that.
Damborg's 'funny maths', as it were, convinced me.
However, Damborg had no scans showing how QUICKLY he can shift into electricity. Would Sinister be able to one-shot him?
I reckon so.
Had he not raised his shields.
Thing is, had he gone for the attack at the bell, he would have won this. As it is, he lost precious time erecting that shield.
HOWEVER, that shield saves him. Yes, I know Sinister had his mind scrambled by Storm. But he did not have his shields up at the time - and quite frankly, considering the weight of scans Supermutant showed of Sinister fighting without a head, or with a hole in his head, or half blown away etc....I am inclined to chalk that as an outlier (btw, I am not convinced it WASN't Sinister. IOW, it was the real deal. Supes, your evidence was poor). An internal attack through his shields would have been nice, if it exists.
So where do we now stand?
In my head, the match starts. Sinister throws his shield up, giving Jenny time to turn into energy.
Can Sinister affect Jenny when she is energy? This is where it gets tricky, actually. Supes showed Sunspot and Malice. However, to me, it was not conclusive as to whether he could affect energy forms, actually. There was SOMETHING with Malice, but she's not an energy form.
The problem is - I don't think Jenny could get through that shield. As Damborg said:
Sinister can hurt my mind. He's too tough for me to argue that I can put him down from the outside, and he can heal very quick.But I can damage his brain, and I can do it before even knows what happened.
Without any proof showing Jenny getting through shields (or successful attacks against Sinister getting through that shield), the speed argument is moot (on both sides). Which means that Sinister can essentially turtle, and whilst Jenny is now superfast, Sinister can eventually win.
For me, my vote goes to Supermutant.
Congrats guys, on the second best match in the tourney.
Phildo will post the other two judgments he already has.
Kris:
Solid match.
Both opponents more or less stick to their guns and run a strategy similar to the previous match.
Damborg had a lot riding on that single scan of Storm scrambling Sinister's brain. He had the speed and power in his favour. Jenny is a glass cannon here and fortunately brings a lot of power to bear.
Supermutant had a plethora of feats for Sinister, but many of these are all over the place. Few characters have been as inconsistent in the portrayal of their choice of powers. Does he use shields, no-sell attacks or simply heal back up? Does it matter? No.
While neither proved beyond doubt that Sinister's bran would be fried or that he could resist it, Supermutant proved that it wouldn't matter all that much. The one scan of a Sinister clone being disabled by lightning isn't enough to counter -all- those showings of him shrugging off worse injuries.
Does this mean that Damborg loses the match? Sadly, yes. My vote goes to Supermutant, but not because of the brain fry. Rather, because Damborg did not convince me that Jenny would survive an extended battle against Sinister. Jenny might zip around in the beginning and bring Sinister to his knees, but that's where it would end. Once Sinister retaliates I believe the match would end.
Bentley:
Supermutant vs Damborg
Let's go!
Mr. Sinister is just a beast in this tier due to his ability to be near inmortal and his decent telepathy and overall stats. Jenny Sparks is quick and has some high end energy projection abilities but in the specific setting it's hard to figure out how much output she can provide. Damborg knew that he needed to find a quick way out and pull off some of the most esotheric powers Jenny has, not relying solely on Jenny's speed but building innevitability. He held good and his brain-shut-down strategy was well focused an implemented: he even threw in becoming electricity to blurry the effectiveness of Mr. Sinister different attacks.
Supermutant brought some interesting points himself: the scan with Sinister with a hole in his head puts into perspective exactly how difficult to put down he is, his history beating weird mutants also helps to ciment his potential to face Jenny's energy form. This was well explaining and at least blurred the easiness of Damborg's straightforward plan. I was not convinced that Jenny being cheap shotted by a surprise attack was a definitive detriment to her speed prowess though. To keep up with the tradition of introducing odd sources into this debate we seemingly found a... Blog? I tried not to give too much weight to how the Storm scans were interpreted into this match, because even disregarding that, Sinister doesn't become inmune to that path of victory.
In my opinion if Jenny proves to be capable of controlling the electricity of Sinister's brain, then regeneration won't be much of an issue. Shields seem to be the only actual defense Supermutant provided against this kind of attack (good that he thought about raising them to begin with!), but it's difficult to gauge if energy manipulation can get through telekinetic defenses. I've gone back and forth from one poster to the other on who I believe would win this whole thing. Both did a very good job.
In this case I'm going to vote for Damborg, his arguments were well focused in protecting his advantages and despite opting for more versatility than just a quick draw I did not feel this was in detriment of his speedkill plan.
