Perfect Cell (weakened) vs.
This is Perfect Cell at the end of his fight with Goku during the Cell Games. Difference is: he doesn't get a senzu bean this time, and must go into each of the following rounds in this markedly diminished state.
Round 1-
vs. ASSJ Vegeta + ASSJ Trunks + Piccolo + Krillin + Tien + Yamcha
Round 2-
vs. FPSSJ Goku
Round 3-
vs. FPSSJ Goku + FPSSJ Gohan
Round 4-
vs. ALL of the above
*Cell-era characters, obv.
How goes this?
#1 Weaken Cell is enough to toy with all of them at the same time.
#2 Cell was holding back, even weaken he should have a higher power level.
For round 3, is this version of Goku recovered by taking a senzu bean? Goku should benefit from a zenkai boost from their fight.
Goku and Gohan FP together can take down a weaken Cell. I doubt Cell was using 100% of his power against Goku in their previous fight.
It's a tough pill to swallow that Vegeta Trunks can't do anything to Cell especially with what we've seen them do against stronger opponents than them in Super.
Problem is that's how they were portrayed.
I think Goku could maybe pull out a win though. He most certainly wins with Gohan. Vegeta Trunks would win too if you gave them Super mindsets and rules without changing power levels.
Originally posted by DamborgsonCell doesn't continuously deplete more and more and the rounds progress here. At the start of each round, he is restored back to the level he was at just after his fight with Goku during the Cell Games(ie. significantly depleted, but still confident he could handle any of them at their full power.)
Stops at 2. If Trunks, Vegeta and the rest can't beat him, they'll diminish him even more, ans produce a fairly easy victory for FPSSJ Goku
Originally posted by One Big Mob*Nothing from DBS is applicable to this fight. All characters are as they were during the Cell saga.
It's a tough pill to swallow that Vegeta Trunks can't do anything to Cell especially with what we've seen them do against stronger opponents than them in Super.
Problem is that's how they were portrayed.I think Goku could maybe pull out a win though. He most certainly wins with Gohan. Vegeta Trunks would win too if you gave them Super mindsets and rules without changing power levels.
Originally posted by Galan007
But Cell was intentionally suppressing his power against Goku to make things more interesting... He never used his full power until after Gohan went SSJ2.Goku was never any sort of legit threat to him at all, is what I'm saying.
Goku was most definitely a threat to Perfect Cell. In fact, Cell himself even admitted that if Goku took a senzu, he could possibly win. It's inaccurate to say Goku was never a threat to Cell- even if Cell was holding back slightly.
Lol, Goku blasting/harming a suppressed Cell contradicts anything I said... How?
During the Namek saga, Goku's Kamehameha(/w/ KKx20) hurt 50% Freeza as well... Does that mean the same attack would've had the same effect on 75% Freeza? 85% Freeza? 100% Freeza? Of course not... Anyone who has ever watched/read DBZ could tell you that much.
Again, Cell was suppressing his powers against Goku(and significantly so when you consider the additional context.) Had Cell went 100% right out of the gate and not purposefully neutered himself to make things more 'fun', he would have stomped Goku decisively. Simple.
Please try to grasp this simple concept before you retort with more of those annoyingly oversized mega-scans of yours. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, Goku blasting/harming a suppressed Cell contradicts anything I said... How?During the Namek saga, Goku's Kamehameha(/w/ KKx20) hurt 50% Freeza as well... Does that mean the same attack would've had the same effect on 75% Freeza? 85% Freeza? 100% Freeza? Of course not... Anyone who has ever watched/read DBZ could tell you that much.
Again, Cell was suppressing his powers against Goku(and significantly so when you consider the additional context.) Had Cell went 100% right out of the gate and not purposefully neutered himself to make things more 'fun', he would have stomped Goku decisively. Simple.
Please try to grasp this simple concept before you retort with more of those annoyingly oversized mega-scans of yours. 👆
Cry about my scans all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're an idiot for claiming that Goku was never a threat to Cell.
Singing Frieza's hand while he was at 50% full power is far and away less impressive than literally vaporizing the top half of Cell's body, when he was operating at no less than around 80%. SSJ2 is only a 2x boost to SSJ1, and SSJ1 Gohan was in the same league as suppressed Perfect Cell. If Cell was holding back 50% of his power, then he would have been equals to SSJ2 Gohan, but he instead got lol-stomped with no effort.
Cell and Gohan were not much stronger than Goku. The three were peers, until SSJ2 came along.
This doesn't change the outcome, in which Cell loses at round 3, but I simply felt like pointing out the fact that you made an idiotic claim, suggesting that Perfect Cell was somehow multiple leagues above Goku, when he clearly wasn't. He was stronger than Goku, sure. Not strong enough to stomp him though, like SSJ2 Gohan stomped him. Meaning that Cell had to have been using AT LEAST 80% of his full power, or he would have been equal to SSJ2 Gohan, while stomping Goku like an ant(which didn't happen).
Goku was definitely a threat to Cell. Hence why Cell acknowledged the fact that Goku could win simply by taking a senzu. 👆