If I remember correctly, during the beginning, when Jiren first fought (Goku), Whis compared his power to the one that is stronger than the Gods. Currently, he should be above the Gods tbh. This is fact. Also, even Zeno is amazed at Jiren power which speaks volumes. Lol at Zeno mimicking Jiren when he told Vegeta to sleep. Jiren is obviously holding back tremendously. He isn't even trying to push Goku or Vegeta out of the ring.
Originally posted by Galan007
UI Goku isn't a thing right now.
Okay, "almost" UI Goku you ****ing nazi.
-Toppo definitely isn't Hakaishin-level right now.
Apparently he will be once he reveals that this isn't even his final form in a couple episodes. 👇
-LSSJ2 Kefla is absolutely nothing, per current power-scaling.
Except being twice as powerful as LSSJ Kefla, whose aura was apparently giving off more energy than SSJB KKx20 Goku's spirit bomb.
-Aniraza is absolutely nothing -- SSB Goku /w/ KKx10 or 20 could have logically owned him with ease.
Yeah, except he wouldn't have, because this is Dragon Ball Super, where logic and scaling doesn't work ever.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Lol, the OP specifies the characters are "at the level of their LAST appearance", though(ie. as of ep. 123.) 😛
Okay, "almost" UI Goku you ****ing nazi.
Originally posted by NewGuy01See, I think Belmond will make him a bonafide Hakaishin in the near future, which will skyrocket his level in the ToP... But that's neither here nor there. As mentioned: the OP specifies the characters are at their current levels, and as of ep. 123, Toppo isn't Hakaishin-level.
Apparently he will be once he reveals that this isn't even his final form in a couple episodes. 👇
Originally posted by NewGuy01You mean the Genki Dama that Jiren casually flung back at Goku with, literally, a blink of his eyes?
Except being twice as powerful as LSSJ Kefla, whose aura was apparently giving off more energy than SSJB KKx20 Goku's spirit bomb.
...And mind you, Jiren in ep. 123 is substantially more powerful than he was back in ep. 110.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Well, I can't argue that. 😂
Yeah, except he wouldn't have, because this is Dragon Ball Super, where logic and scaling doesn't work ever.
But still, an extremely fatigued SSB Goku + SSB Vegeta + Golden Freeza + Gohan + #17 were holding back Aniraza's blast for a long while. So even if I were being extremely generous, that still only equates to FIVE SSB-level beings(more realistically, it's THREE SSB-level beings and TWO part-timers, but I digress.)
So yeah, a healthy SSB Goku /w/ KKx10 *should* be more than enough to overpower Aniraza with ease... If so, Jiren would be able to 'blink-pwn' him, tbh.