Krayt vs. Vitiate

Nah. Revan says he's never felt a being as powerful as Vitiate. Also, blurb on the back of the Novel. 🙂

Are you guys talking about the quote that suggests Malaks cybernetic jaw made him far more powerful than Kun? 😬

The quote is legit. There was a huge debate about it.

And the quote is clearly hinting that the Star Forge is what made Malak far more powerful than Kun.

I know, and you were one of the people saying it isn't legit, lol.

No it isn't. Not sure what you think could possibly be hinting at that. Its posed in the form of a question at any rate, so we can pretty easily just say "no, it didn't give him those powers" and be done with it.

Yeah, I don't like the quote, but it's still a line of scaling that exists. 🙂

And no. The question/statement in and of itself is saying that Malak is far more powerful than Kun, the question is towards WHY is Malak far more powerful than Kun: cybernetics or something more sinister?

"An imposing figure with ghostly pale features, prominent Sith tattoos, a gleaming red lightsaber, and devastating Dark Side power, Malak struck terror into the hearts of his former allies. He also wore a vocal mask that may have concealed a form of cybernetic life-support. Did it provide him with powers far greater than even Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd, or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?"

So the ambiguity isn't in whether or not Malak is far more powerful than Kun, but rather the source of that power.

No one has to take that quote seriously by the way. When Chee said that blurbs were licence to subjectivity, it gave a nice basis to throw out similar hypes that were "out of universe" despite their canonicity.

If you had an opinion of Kun or malak, and that opinion has been altered because Cory Hendon once wrote on his Wizard of the Coast blog that Malak was stronger, it tells me more about your own handling of source material than it does the two characters.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah. Revan says he's never felt a being as powerful as Vitiate. Also, blurb on the back of the Novel. 🙂

Kun > Vitiate is a thing in numerous higher sources though. Not to mention Kun stomps in any feats comparison whatsoever.

I guess Vitiate grew immensely from TOTJ to when Revan first confronted him. 🙂

In a span of fifty years, where we both know Vitiate went and split himself between his true body on Dromund Kaas and Valkorion on Zakuul. Given his millennia scale of power growth, I don't see Vitiate's growth surpassing the power Kun had over him, especially after Kun grew even more powerful through the most powerful Sith holocron in the mythos.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I guess Vitiate grew immensely from TOTJ to when Revan first confronted him. 🙂

Or Skillz, the Wizards of the Coast author didn't factor in the possible implications of the SF Malak quote, due to his own poor analysis of the source material. Please remember this is the same person who claims that Malak's jaw cybernetic, a respiratory system, is a simple explanation for Malak's enhanced "powers" - what a retard.

Remind me again why we're clinging to this quote from a source that doesn't even exist in it's domain name anymore and could only be found in internet archives. Do you also have Bane > Vitiate ?

Well the evidence would be the quotes themselves.

Technically, Novel Vitiate > Revan Reborn > KOTOR Revan > SF Malak >> Kun >> earlier Kun > TOTJ Vitiate >>> Muur isn't explicitly contradicted. Incredulity has to set in at that point, though.

Originally posted by Conty
Do you also have Bane > Vitiate ?

No.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
No.

Do you have TPM Mace Windu > Revan?

It was once written that Mace was the most powerful Jedi Master to walk the halls of the Jedi temple. It must be true right?

No.

All I said was that there is a line of scaling that would indicate SF Malak > Peak Krayt. It is a line of scaling that exists. Whether or not I actually buy it is another thing. Hence:

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Incredulity has to set in at that point, though.

I don't buy it either, most people in this thread probably don't buy it. And that's all that need to be said about the matter. Krayt stomps.

Krayt gets stomped*

Vitiate > Nihilus > Krayt.

If he ain't stomping Wyyrlok or Muur, he ain't stomping Vitiate. 🙂

truth be told i'm undecided on the matter. Krayt's massive respect seems to come solely from the dubious events of apocalypse. If we're looking at feats during the Legacy time period, I don't put him much above Maul and maybe on par with Dooku.

Krayt's showings in Apocalypse aren't that groundbreaking. Basically he's shown that he can hurt a fraction of Abeloth with Luke's aid.

I do like that he made Jacen brown his shorts though.