Rank the Worthy from most to least powerful

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zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by juggerman
BFR.
Mental assault from Emma Frost w/ Cerebro
Two Omega Level Mutants
And don't act like Magneto wouldn't make short work of Normal Juggernaut

WWH never broke Juggy's bones tho....

Ok fair enough. Kuurth sans Cyttorak is clearly less than FP Kuurth, but I don't see Nul beating FP Kuurth


I actually agree with you. FP Kuurth was clearly beyond herald level and I'd place him as high trans easily.

Reason why I wanted Serpent Power only Kuurth is because I wanted to see how the forum members viewed the Worthy sans outside powerups.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Greithoth* (He was easily absorbing the Infinite Mansion generator and from what I remember, that would make his power limit, the highest, which I guess makes sense)
Nul
Kuurth
Nerkkod
Angrir/Mokk
Greithoth
Skirn

Interesting ranking.


In what world is Thing able to beat the absolute crap and overpower Rulk to a degree that only Green Scar matched? Or easily beat the Invisible Woman until she put a force field in his lungs?

As a matter of fact, Angrir was mentioned to be, along with Nul, to be the greatest of the Worthy in the issue where they fought Thor....


Beating non LoebForce Rulk isn't impressive at all, especially since it was stated on panel that he could have actually won if he used his energy absorption powers. He would have lost to Sue if she wanted to kill him and all she was doing was forcing the air out of his lungs. "I swear, I'll drown you if you dont' stop" was her exact quote. Skirn didn't need to breathe and proved it when Quicksilver tried to create a vacuum around her and force the air from her lungs. Going by ON PANEL showings, which is what I'm after, Angrir was easily the least impressive of the Worthy.

Separating Nerkkod from his hammer while making little sense, I understood as creation an actual separation, i.e. destroying his hand. Because he's thrown the hammer and been fine as it returned no? All the Worthy have from what I can tell.

Oh yes, it was idiotic since he had already thrown it multiple times and was just fine. Two things to consider:
1) Strange was there mystically binding him while Surfer/Namor/Lyra She Hulk were physically restraining him allowing Loa to disintegrate his arm which he grew back anyway.
2) It was at the point in the story when the Serpent was calling his Worthy to him to begin his final assault. They mistook it as him retreating.

I just think Nerkkod was/is criminally underrated. He literally treated Silver Surfer as an insect not worth his attention. IMHO, he had better showings than Serpent ONLY Kuurth.

DickBlazer opinions are like........

Cytorak stated he gave Colossus more power than he ever gave Cain. This is fact. Colossus stated on panel that Kuurth was more fast and powerful than he was. So a more powerful Juggernaut was still not as strong as a serpent only Cain. This imo means Kuurth was very powerful even without the juggernaut enhancement. I believe Colossus also stated he had never been hit as hard as Kuurth hit him, and that was Jugged up. Kuurth is the most powerful of the Worthy. Off panel stuff is a joke

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by zopzop

Serious question, was this shown in a tie-in or future issue recap and I'm missed it? Because we saw the Mighty face off vs the Worthy and aside from Kuurth and Skirn, we saw them in the final panel before the Serpent died on their feet and attacking. They only lost because the Serpent died and their hammers were recalled. Keep in mind there was EIGHT Mighty (Strange/Iron Fist/Spider-Man/Iron Man/Hawkeye/Red She-hulk/Black Widow/Ms. Marvel) vs FOUR Worthy (Nerkkod/Greithoth/Mokk/Skirn. Sin does NOT count among the Worthy, she was facing off against Cap w/Mjolnir anyway). Remember I'm going by what was shown on PANEL.

Recapping the Final Showdown -

Nul wasn't there having freed himself when he crushed his own hammer
Angrir was killed by Thor previously.

Kuurth wasn't seen on panel again after his fight with Mighty Wolverine
Skirn wasn't seen on panel after being tag teamed by Mighty Strange and Mighty Iron Fist.
Nerkkod/Mokk/Greithoth were not KOed or downed and figthting right up till the Serpent got killed.

Not that I know, but I haven't bothered to check every issue of that cross-over.

You're right, Mighty had the numbers... still, Worthy seemed to be getting casually owned...

Anyway, you're doing a good job repping them, I see.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by DickBlazer
Cytorak stated he gave Colossus more power than he ever gave Cain.

Stilt mentioned this too. Where was it stated on panel? I want to check it out. I respect your opinion on Serpent ONLY Kuurth's power level but no way is he more powerful than Nul. Nul crushed his own hammer, he could just as easily have crushed Kuurth's hammer and depowered him right there and then.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

You're right, Mighty had the numbers... still, Worthy seemed to be getting casually owned...

But that's the thing, they WEREN'T getting casually owned. The only two that got taken down were Kuurth and Skirn. Kuurth faced off against Mighty Wolverine and we never saw Kuurth on panel again. In Kuurth's defense we never saw Mighty Wolverine on panel again either, till after the Serpent was defeated. Skirn was tag teamed by Mighty Strange and Mighty Iron Fist. That's hardly a low showing.

Nerkkod got hit by Mighty Red She Hulk but wasn't KOed at all. He was fighting right up till the Serpent died and he lost his hammer. In fact, it looks like Nerrkod was facing off against Mighty Spider-Man (with Mighty Strange running into the fray in the background). IF anything we DON'T see Mighty Red She Hulk again until a few pages later after both the Serpent and THor were dead.

Mokk was facing off against Mighty Ms Marvel.

Greithoth was facing off against Captain America wielding Mjolnir.

Anyway, you're doing a good job repping them, I see.

I can't help it. As sh|tty as that event was, I loved their character design. Diggin' that "Tron" look they were rocking.

juggerman Senior Member

Is it fair to compare SP Kuurth to Nul? Nul was still gamma powered whereas SP Kuurth would technically be a normal human with a magic hammer

StiltmanFTW CBvF

He still had the remnants of Cyttorak power - Cain's been exposed to the Juggernaut magic for so long, you can't depower him completely.

But yeah, not really fair comparing Depowered Kuurth to Nul, who was technically an amped version of WWH...

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by juggerman
Is it fair to compare SP Kuurth to Nul? Nul was still gamma powered whereas SP Kuurth would technically be a normal human with a magic hammer
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He still had the remnants of Cyttorak power - Cain's been exposed to the Juggernaut magic for so long, you can't depower him completely.

But yeah, not really fair comparing Depowered Kuurth to Nul, who was technically an amped version of WWH...


Using this line of reasoning is interesting. So you guys are arguing that BOTH the Serpent's Hammer AND the Host determine the overall power of the Worthy?

The Hosts (with no Serpent powers) in order of MOST to LEAST powerful -

Tier 1
Absorbing Man (ridiculous absorption powers with few limits)
Hulk (Marvel's elite CL100 brick)

Tier 2
Thing (solid high meta with an excellent record Vs top tiers)
Titania (excellent physical stats but jobs)
Attuma (good strength, Cl40-75 depending if on land or water, suspect durability known jobber)

Tier 3
Gray Gargoyle (low superhuman physical stats, CL10, with a powerful 'Stone Touch' ability, he can actually kill the Tier 2 guys if he gets his stone touch attack in first)

Tier 4
Cain Marko (without the Juggernaut enchantment he's just a muscular human male)

You guys agree with list?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

No. I don't agree with it. Nice research on the Worthy, but you really didn't do your homework when it comes to hosts.

AGAIN - you can't depower Juggs completely.

Each time he was depowered, he retained some portion of his power. In this particular case, depowered Cain still handled Man-Killer with ease and even was able to affect Colossus with his blows:

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As for Attuma (you know, the guy in your sig), you completely forgot he was resurrected and upgraded by fucking Dr. Doom before Fear Itself.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. I don't agree with it. Nice research on the Worthy, but you really didn't do your homework when it comes to hosts.

[b]AGAIN - you can't depower Juggs completely.

Each time he was depowered, he retained some portion of his power. In this particular case, depowered Cain still handled Man-Killer with ease and even was able to affect Colossus with his blows:

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Ok, so he moves up to at least Tier 3.

As for Attuma (you know, the guy in your sig), you completely forgot he was resurrected [b]and upgraded by fucking Dr. Doom before Fear Itself.

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Those are words, are they backed up by anything on panel? Assuming everything said by Doom is true, he's still Tier 2.

PS the guy in my sig is technically Nerkkod possessing Attuma. Attuma is trash tier without him.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Well, we see him breathing on land... so Vic wasn't making shit up.

And there is this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145389/3193829-5244660410-29472.jpg

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, we see him breathing on land... so Vic wasn't making shit up.

And there is this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145389/3193829-5244660410-29472.jpg


Vic for sure was exaggerating the physical amp because when push came to shove and he faced an opponent without his minions holding them down or energy weapons he was killed almost instantly. Notice he soften Hulk up with an energy attack before punching him away.

Power Princess owned him like a feeb.

Meanwhile Namor was going up against Hyperion, Power Princess, Dr Specrtrum, their speedster (forgot her name), and tooled them till Hyperion beheaded him with Heat Vision. He just flings Power Princess aside like a nuisance meanwhile she attacked him from behind :

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Perhaps it was literally just STR stat upgraded then, leaving his other physicals (like durability and damage soak) still well below Namor's.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Perhaps it was literally just STR stat upgraded then, leaving his other physicals (like durability and damage soak) still well below Namor's.

But like I said, nothing on panel backs this up. Was he ever shown flying even? I mean only the 'breathe on land' part seems to be legit.

EDIT : even the air breathing is suspect

look at him here trying to rape Jean Grey while she was imprisoned by him in a glass sphere filled with air (so she could breathe). This is waaaaaaaaaay before Doom rezzed him.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

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D in Nerkkod stands for Doom uhuh

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

The TRUE Worthy ranking is the OPPOSITE of whatever ZopZop thinks!

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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D in Nerkkod stands for Doom uhuh


LOL. But seriously, were there any examples of Attuma flying after his rez by Doom? If not, that will be the final nail in coffin regarding Doom's boast.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[b]The TRUE Worthy ranking is the OPPOSITE of whatever ZopZop thinks! [/B]

I thought we were........we were friends? 🙁

LordofBrooklyn Senior Member
Originally posted by zopzop
I thought we were........we were friends? 🙁

You've been in sig VIOLATION for quite some time.

You KNOW what you have to do!!!

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by zopzop
LOL. But seriously, were there any examples of Attuma flying after his rez by Doom? If not, that will be the final nail in coffin regarding Doom's boast.

Don't recall any. "Made Men" was a one-shot, one of the many Dark Reign tie-ins.

He seemed to navigate underwater fine enough to trap the Hulk inside some mythical monster... but what happens underwater can easily be seen as "super-swimming".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145389/3193830-6036294249-29472.jpg

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't recall any. "Made Men" was a one-shot, one of the many Dark Reign tie-ins.

He seemed to navigate underwater fine enough to trap the Hulk inside some mythical monster... but what happens underwater can easily be seen as "super-swimming".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145389/3193830-6036294249-29472.jpg


IMHO, he's just swimming there.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've been in sig VIOLATION for quite some time.

[b]You KNOW what you have to do!!! [/B]


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