Originally posted by Stoic
Okay now I get what you're seeing. let me explain it a little better.
If Persuader were to cut Hal Jordan's Light construct, it would not stop Hal from creating another one. now let's say that Hal was creating the constructs while existing in another universe that you can't see and is not close by, how do you ever stop Hal from creating more constructs? This is what Bob does, while also being able to control molecules on or above the level of the Molecule Man, or Firestorm.That is only a fraction of what these guys would be up against. Sentry was actually stated as being able to live several second into the future. DS Sentry appeared to have been able to enter the time stream itself. But that's not 100% proof positive. The F5 are in over their heads here.
Except the Persuader could just cut his will power.
That's what I mean by haxx.
It's PC silliness here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except the Persuader could just cut his will power.That's what I mean by haxx.
It's PC silliness here.
I get the PC era crazy stuff, but, and I have read a few old schol LOSh comics with the P5 in it, and noticed that yes he could cut anything with that axe, but I also noticed that he saw what he was striking. In this case he wouldn't be told a thing, or know much more than the Avengers do about Sentry, and how his powers actually work, because they're a mystery to the general population of Earth. Most just view him like people in the DC U view Superman, but he is completely different than Superman in terms of power set.
I just can't see how Persuader is cutting something that he isn't aware even exists. While Bob can turn them all into ashes. That's all that I'm saying here. PC won't save them, and that's how haxx DS Sentry is presently.
Originally posted by Stoic
I get the PC era crazy stuff, but, and I have read a few old schol LOSh comics with the P5 in it, and noticed that yes he could cut anything with that axe, but I also noticed that he saw what he was striking. In this case he wouldn't be told a thing, or know much more than the Avengers do about Sentry, and how his powers actually work, because they're a mystery to the general population of Earth. Most just view him like people in the DC U view Superman, but he is completely different than Superman in terms of power set.I just can't see how Persuader is cutting something that he isn't aware even exists. While Bob can turn them all into ashes. That's all that I'm saying here. PC won't save them, and that's how haxx DS Sentry is presently.
He can't see gravity or magnetic fields.....he cut them just fine. He slashes through dimensions....like Leo said, he cut time (possibly).
He slashes at things and they get cut. That's...just how it is.
Unless you have proof he needs a target to, well,target,that's just speculation on your part.
Again,not saying they win.
Am saying they have the tools to hurt him. Whether they get the chance to, is a diff matter.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can't see gravity or magnetic fields.....he cut them just fine. He slashes through dimensions....like Leo said, he cut time (possibly).He slashes at things and they get cut. That's...just how it is.
Unless you have proof he needs a target to, well,target,that's just speculation on your part.
Again,not saying they win.
Am saying they have the tools to hurt him. Whether they get the chance to, is a diff matter.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can't see gravity or magnetic fields.....he cut them just fine. He slashes through dimensions....like Leo said, he cut time (possibly).He slashes at things and they get cut. That's...just how it is.
Unless you have proof he needs a target to, well,target,that's just speculation on your part.
Again,not saying they win.
Am saying they have the tools to hurt him. Whether they get the chance to, is a diff matter.
Like you said before PC silliness as it is. He still had a focus to where he was aiming that axe. in this case he has no idea what he should be striking at, and it's not even a certainty that he'd be able to cut Bob within his pocket universe. It wouldn't be fair to say that the laws of one universe had the right to supersede the laws of another universe.
PC age ran by it's own laws. Persuarder would have no idea where to strike. We both know this. Arguing in circles now.
Not up to doing this. DS Sentry does have the power to end them, if he was able to mess Owen up while only discovering that he had those abilities. DS Sentry would be able to screw Owen up even faster. DS Sentry is well versed with the knowledge of what he can do as opposed to who he was during Siege. Is there a reason why the F5 wouldn't be turned to molecules the moment that this began?
Don't care about the axe any longer. So it can cut him. I don't believe that it stops him from reforming. because it wouldn't, and Bob isn't exactly the type that would tell them either.
hmm, feels like some no-limits going on here.... maybe sentry is invulnerable but how exactly does he hurt a guy who is a dozen times more powerful than pc superboy? pc characters bounce off validus like ping pong balls. and who knows what effect his psychic lightning would have on a nut job like sentry. this sentry talk is something else.
stoic what are u basing all these thoughts of sentry on? what do you mean he's not really "there" to be cut?
Don't care about the axe any longer. So it can cut him. I don't believe that it stops him from reforming. because it wouldn't, and Bob isn't exactly the type that would tell them either.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, feels like some no-limits going on here.... maybe sentry is invulnerable but how exactly does he hurt a guy who is a dozen times more powerful than pc superboy? pc characters bounce off validus like ping pong balls. and who knows what effect his psychic lightning would have on a nut job like sentry. this sentry talk is something else.stoic what are u basing all these thoughts of sentry on? what do you mean he's not really "there" to be cut?
Reread all that I wrote. Sentry is a solidified concept of Bob's mind. He can't die because he isn't truly alive in the same sense as a normal human, which is why he can continue coming back from apparent death.
Do you think that the Molecule Man could defeat Val? Well during Siege, Sentry came by the realization that he could do what Owen could. It happened on panel.
Originally posted by Stoic
Reread all that I wrote. Sentry is a solidified concept of Bob's mind. He can't die because he isn't truly alive in the same sense as a normal human, which is why he can continue coming back from apparent death.Do you think that the Molecule Man could defeat Val? Well during Siege, Sentry came by the realization that he could do what Owen could. It happened on panel.
do we know this version of sentry retained the knowledge he previously had? didn't seem to exhibit any of those powers.
and could the version of owen sentry beat beat val? i dunno tbh. and true you don't have to have no limits, but the limits you're extending him too are well beyond what we saw this version do afaik... his mental state has ALWAYS been his ultimate governor. because of that, not sure how we can extend something he did (or realized) pre death seed, to this version. it should certainly be a question when we never really saw him use that power set in this version. owen's powers would have come in handy against a celestial, the worm and even thor.
Originally posted by leonidas
do we know this version of sentry retained the knowledge he previously had? didn't seem to exhibit any of those powers.and could the version of owen sentry beat beat val? i dunno tbh. and true you don't have to have no limits, but the limits you're extending him too are well beyond what we saw this version do afaik... his mental state has ALWAYS been his ultimate governor. because of that, not sure how we can extend something he did (or realized) pre death seed, to this version. it should certainly be a question when we never really saw him use that power set in this version. owen's powers would have come in handy against a celestial, the worm and even thor.
Would you forget that you could walk after you'd done it before, especially if you stated that you were more aware of yourself than you were in the past? I'd expect that you'd be able to run in this case. Seems like an attempt to discredit. I think it's a poor means of arguing tbh. Like I said before, Sentry has been one of the most hated characters in comics, but it's no reason to refuse that he's crazy powerful.
Originally posted by leonidas
do we know this version of sentry retained the knowledge he previously had? didn't seem to exhibit any of those powers.and could the version of owen sentry beat beat val? i dunno tbh. and true you don't have to have no limits, but the limits you're extending him too are well beyond what we saw this version do afaik... his mental state has ALWAYS been his ultimate governor. because of that, not sure how we can extend something he did (or realized) pre death seed, to this version. it should certainly be a question when we never really saw him use that power set in this version. owen's powers would have come in handy against a celestial, the worm and even thor.
Owen had no problem using his powers Leo, he just had no defense against similar powers working on him in reverse. The Sentry has his abilities, and others that he doesn't possess.
As DS Sentry, he was completely in control of his mental state, if you didn't notice when he ripped Thor away from his team to give him a message of his importance in the coming future. He wasn't there for a huge display of power, and was just toying with Thor. He could have killed him at any time.
Originally posted by Stoic
Would you forget that you could walk after you'd done it before, especially if you stated that you were more aware of yourself than you were in the past? I'd expect that you'd be able to run in this case. Seems like an attempt to discredit. I think it's a poor means of arguing tbh. Like I said before, Sentry has been one of the most hated characters in comics, but it's no reason to refuse that he's crazy powerful.
you say discredit, i say you're crediting him unduly. i have as much evidence that he CAN'T go all owen level in this state, as you do that he CAN, so careful with the claims of poor argumentation. my guess would be that one scot likely has all relevant scans. maybe i'll hit him up or if he's lurking he can post them. me and you aren't, nor will we be on, the same page with regards to sentry. if i can round up the scans that will at least give others a chance to judge for themselves.
Originally posted by leonidas
you say discredit, i say you're crediting him unduly. i have as much evidence that he CAN'T go all owen level in this state, as you do that he CAN, so careful with the claims of poor argumentation. my guess would be that one scot likely has all relevant scans. maybe i'll hit him up or if he's lurking he can post them. me and you aren't, nor will we be on, the same page with regards to sentry. if i can round up the scans that will at least give others a chance to judge for themselves.
Dsentry did show molecular manipulation when he created the sand giants in my opinion. Some say he did it with TP, but I disagree. I admit that it was never stated on panel though as to how he was doing it.