Originally posted by riv6672
How many main men would it take to beat Thragg?
Pretty sure it could be arranged.
Just 1.
I like Thragg the same as the next guy, but Invincible operates on a lower power level. That Omni-Man fight with Supreme doesn't jive with being unable to fly through planets without blasting a hole first, or getting your skin fried off in the sun.
Supreme's history got a massive downgrade to retroactively to fit within Invincible's framework.
He was a guy that could destroy stars and planets just by casually flying ftl through them.
And that's not even his best feats. His best would fit well in a silver age Supes respect thread.
Yet Nolan went toe to toe with the 'strongest' supreme ever even though his own verse caps out way lower than star busting.
And you have to assume his highest feats become invalid because the 'strongest' supreme is on par with a contextual or high effort at best planet buster in omni man.
Supreme can't be a casual star buster+ and still be equal with Omni man.
It's not like Invincible had a multitude of writers with differing opinions like Supes or Thor do.
Its Kirkman's verse and he tops the series out at massively below star buster. That's iron clad. Ergo Mean Supreme is massively below star buster too.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
And you have to assume his highest feats become invalid because the 'strongest' supreme is on par with a contextual or high effort at best planet buster in omni man.Supreme can't be a casual star buster+ and still be equal with Omni man.
It's not like Invincible had a multitude of writers with differing opinions like Supes or Thor do.
Its Kirkman's verse and he tops the series out at massively below star buster. That's iron clad. Ergo Mean Supreme is massively below star buster too.
That's a lot of assumptions. Why not just accept that Omni-Man had a crazy impressive feat outside of his "established" power tier? It tends to happen.
Would you feel the same if it was Superman? 99% of the time he's city to planetary level buster at max. Most heralds are. Omni-Man has so few comic book appearances compared to main stream characters, this can fall into his extreme category.
I have no horse in this race. It just seems inappropriate to retroactively retcon Supreme rather than accept that Omni-Man could be way more powerful than we assumed. That 5-issue run referenced a shit load of Supreme continuity. Larsen wasn't unaware of Evil Supreme's capabilities.
It would just be a more intellectually honest exercise to shrug it off as an extreme showing.
It would even be easier to accept that Omni-Man's particularly reality is a lot more realistic than others. For example, we assumed that Omni-Man's species must be fragile because they die in battle. Clearly he isn't. And tbh, if insanely strong supermen were going to get into h2h fights, it should look a lot more like Invincible's Universe.
There is only one assumption, that Mean Supreme wasnt meant to have access to all past assortment of feats even if Larsen gave some vague acknowledgement of past histories and versions. Afterall Larsen himself contradicted some facts iirc.
It wouldn't square to have Mean Supreme scale to star destroying ro universe moving ranges based on past history. It doesnt work with the story Larsen was telling.
I have Larsen's Supreme that fought omni man at planet levels based on the feats he did in that same run, which already stretches it somewhat for Omni Man and the Invincible-verse as a whole. (Though you could argue that planet that Mean Supreme busted was moreso a planetoid, which would still allow it to work well with Invincible scaling wise).
If Superman hypothetically fought Omni-Man to a draw I would not scale Omni-Man to Supes' history of feats either, only to whatever Superman performed directly in the series that Omni Man was involved in. Superman underperforms all the time. Unfortunately the Invincible verse is narratively capped at a certain level by the ending its sole creator gave it. So Superman in that story would be bound to those limits too unless some other explicit narrative tool comes in play e.g. it might be an alternate omni man or a massively amped one etc.